Witnesses:
Liz
Bruce – Joint Executive Director for Adult Social Care and
Integrated Commissioning (Surrey County Council and Surrey
Heartlands ICS)
Ben Hill – Director of
Urgent Care (Surrey Heartlands ICS)
Dr Charlotte Canniff
– Joint Chief Medical Officer (Surrey Heartlands
ICS)
Jo Hunter –
Deputy Director of Recovery (Surrey Heartlands ICS)
Nikki Mallinder –
Director of Primary Care (Surrey Heartlands ICS)
Dr Pramit Patel – Primary
Care Network Leader (Surrey Heartlands ICS)
Dr Helen Rostill
– Deputy Chief Executive and Director of Therapies (Surrey
and Borders Partnership)
Daryl Gasson –
Executive Place Managing Director (NHS Frimley)
Stephen Dunn –
Director of System Delivery and Place (NHS Frimley)
Mark Eley –
Deputy Director of Operations (South East Coast Ambulance Service
NHS Foundation Trust)
Helen Wilshaw-Roberts
– Strategic Partnerships Manager (South East Coast Ambulance
Service NHS Foundation Trust)
Maria Millwood –
Non-Executive Director (Healthwatch Surrey)
Key
points raised during the discussion:
- Witnesses from Surrey
Heartlands and the South East Coast Ambulance Service (SECAmb)
presented slides (Annex 1). Witnesses from NHS Frimley also
presented slides (Annex 2).
- A Member asked about
the implications of the ICS restructuring on preparations for
winter this year (2022). The Joint Chief Medical Officer
(Heartlands) explained that there should be limited implications if
all partners worked together to create the capacity required. The
Director of System Delivery and Place (Frimley) added that NHS
Frimley were developing a five-year strategy which involved
significant stakeholder engagement during the summer regarding
working together on collective priorities.
- A Member queried the
measures in place to support the mental health of staff during a
period of increased pressure on the system. The Deputy Chief
Executive of Surrey and Borders Partnership (SABP) explained that
the system approach in place was the wellbeing hub which all staff
could access. Individual organisations were now considering the
cost-of-living crisis and how to support staff through that. SABP
had also been linking in with other organisations to support their
employee assistance schemes.
- In response to a
question on the fragility of the workforce, the Deputy Director of
Operations (SECAmb) explained that they were aiming to reach 2,555
frontline staff by March 2023. SECAmb currently had approximately
2,150 frontline staff, with 150 in training. There had been a small
reduction in overtime and the Deputy Director explained that it was
about being able to achieve balance and not exhausting staff,
whilst still offering the opportunity to earn extra money. Thus,
the overtime hours made available were reviewed weekly. New avenues
for recruitment had been developed and there had been international
recruitment events targeting trained staff.
- A Member queried
whether the countries SECAmb were recruiting trained staff from
were also short of staff. The Deputy Director of Operations
(SECAmb) explained that they were recruiting from countries where
they trained more staff than they were able to recruit. The Member
asked at what stage SECAmb would be fully staffed. The Deputy
Director responded by this time next year (October 2023), the
resources were planned to reach the target number of frontline
staff. One challenge was that there was a shortage of paramedics
graduating from university nationally and they were competing
against other ambulance services, therefore, SECAmb were exploring
how to make themselves a more attractive employer. The Member also
asked whether there were enough ambulances to cope with demand. The
Deputy Director explained that SECAmb ran 140% of the number of
ambulances required and he was comfortable that number could be
met. There were weekly planning meetings to balance the staff
required across SECAmb in the local areas. There was also the
ability to flex private ambulances to meet the
requirements.
- A Member questioned
the early prevention measures in place to support the mental health
of residents. The Deputy Chief Executive (SABP) explained that the
voluntary and community sector offered services such as, group
events, direct counselling and broader mental health support and
residents were able to self-refer for those services. There were
also a range of resources on the Healthy Surrey website. Schools
received a named mental health practitioner per cluster and there
was young person’s safe haven based in Guildford.
- The Chairman asked
about the new electronic patient record system and whether it would
work with the other systems in place. The Joint Chief Medical
Officer (Heartlands) explained that the ambition was for it to work
with the rest of the systems and it was a national digital model.
The Chairman asked whether the system would assist in data capture
of outcomes. The Joint Chief Medical Officer explained that acute
hospital trusts produced good data already, but it would improve
that data. The Director of Urgent Care (Heartlands) explained that
they had taken time to embed the system and understand its
benefits.
Cllr
Angela Goodwin joined the meeting at 11:20am.
- The Chairman queried
how mutual aid worked if everyone within the system was at
capacity. The Director of Urgent Care (Heartlands) shared that
Surrey did not meet the number of extensive care places per
population and explained that they were working closely with NHS
England (NHSE) to achieve this. Mutual aid was set up during the
pandemic, they hoped to continue this. This winter there was not
acute illness due to covid, but the system was reliant on the
vaccination programme to protect the population and there was work
with regional colleagues to address any peaks.
- The Non-Executive
Director of Healthwatch Surrey asked about the reasons behind the
termination of the LIVI contract and about how a consistent
approach for appointments would be ensured. The Director of Primary
Care (Heartlands) explained that LIVI was commissioned by a
different provider. Once Surrey Heartlands were alerted of the
termination, they worked with the provider to gain a safer exit
plan. LIVI was reinstated for a period of time to allow exit plans
and communication plans to be formally worked through and
evaluated. The reason LIVI was terminated was because their pricing
model doubled in the last six months and other local solutions were
being deployed.
- The Chairman raised
the issue of waiting multiple days for a reply from a general
practice. The Director of Primary Care (Heartlands) explained that
due to the acceleration of online service during the pandemic,
there was inconsistency in terms of the online services offered by
different practices. The Primary Care Network Leader added that it
was essential to manage user’s expectations.
- A Member questioned
whether the government announced funding of £500 million for
discharge to assess was enough. The Joint Executive Director
(Heartlands and SCC) explained that this was nationally announced
funding and therefore, would be split throughout the country.
During the pandemic £491 million funding was announced, of
which Surrey received £10 million. The discharge to assess
programme would cost approximately £12 to £15 million
per year. It was also unknown who the funding would be allocated
to. There were some patients waiting to be discharged from Surrey
hospitals who were West Sussex patients. Therefore, partners were
trying to work collaboratively to solve such issues.
- In response to a
question on the rollout out of the GP integrated mental health
service (GPimhs) programme, the Deputy Chief Executive (SABP)
explained that there were eight remaining to rollout. SABP had an
effective relationship with primary care and were using existing
forums to work with GPs. So far there was data to suggest that the
wait time for psychological therapists had reduced, there was a 26%
reduction in referrals through the mental health single point of
access and increasing awareness of social care issues. The Primary
Care Network Leader (Heartlands) added that the programme was
co-designed with GPs. There was a one-to-two-year independent
evaluation underway, with the first report due in December
2022.
- A Member asked about
the expected use of agency staff during the winter period. The
Primary Care Network Leader (Heartlands) informed Members that they
had been engaging with Lantum agency and had recruited 55 GPs and
other healthcare professionals through that bank. This created 15
additional sessions a week per practice which equalled around 240
appointments. There were plans to free up capacity by using
community pharmacists. The Member also asked about access to in
person appointments for those who required them. The Joint
Executive Director explained that they would look into
incorporating appointment preferences for those with mental health
issues or autism into the Surrey Care Record. The Director of
System Delivery and Place (Frimley) added that they had experienced
a 13% increase in in person appointments and 56% of appointments
were now in person.
Cllr Rebecca Jennings-Evans left the meeting at
11:56am.
- Responding to a
question on ensuring that primary care helped to relieve the
pressure on A&E, the Joint Chief Medical Officer (Heartlands)
explained that it was about making it less complicated for
residents so that they understood what services to access in
certain circumstances. The communications team were doing a
targeted piece of work on this and SECAmb had developed a directory
of services which highlighted alternative options to A&E. The
Deputy Chief Executive (SABP) added that safe havens were a useful
alternative to A&E for those with mental health issues. The
Primary Care Network Leader (Heartlands) added that there were
about 624 ‘very high health users’ in east Surrey and
in a 12-month period those patients accessed A&E departments
1,900 times. This was a system issue, and it was crucial to support
each other.
- A Member enquired as
to whether there were sufficient vaccines for both influenza and
covid. The Non-Executive Director of Healthwatch Surrey also raised
issues regarding dosette boxes, opening hours, and picking up
prescriptions. The Joint Chief Medical Officer (Heartlands)
clarified that there would be enough vaccines available and the
communications and order of vaccinations were set nationally. The
Chairman asked for data on the staff uptake of the influenza
vaccine and the Joint Chief Medical Officer explained that all NHS
staff were encouraged to take the influenza vaccine, but they had a
choice. Data could be shared on the uptake. The Director of Primary
Care (Heartlands) added that Surrey Heartlands had taken on
responsibility for pharmacy, podiatry, and dentistry. It had been
noted since taking these on that there had been more unplanned
closures within community pharmacy than in previous years.
Therefore, there was work to bring together the whole workforce to
prevent that from happening in future.
Action/request for further information:
- The Joint Chief
Medical Officer to share data on the uptake of the influenza
vaccine across NHS staff.
Recommendations:
- For Surrey Heartlands ICS & Frimley ICSto work towards a
swift rolling out of comprehensive Cloud Based Telephony Systems
across GP Surgeries throughout Surrey, and to provide a future
update in a formal Adults and Health Select Committee meeting on
progress toward this.
- For Surrey Heartlands ICS, Frimley
ICS, & SECAmb, to implement and ensure there are support
initiatives in place for the mental health of staff members, and to
provide a future written update with qualitative and quantitative
data to the Adults and Health Select Committee on progress toward
this.
- For the Joint Executive Director Adult Social Care &
Integrated Commissioning, Surrey Heartlands ICS, and Frimley ICS to
work on improving Discharge-to-Assess processes and to address the
funding issues therewithin; and to provide a more detailed update
to the Adults and Health Select Committee in an informal meeting,
on the details of Discharge-to-Assess processes & funding
issues, and whether improvements have been achieved.
- For Surrey Heartlands ICS & SECAmb, to ensure that
staff utilising PaCCS and 111 services, are sufficiently trained to
correctly assess patients and appropriately determine ensuing
pathways; and to provide a written update to the Adults and Health
Select Committee on this.
- For SECAmb to address the concerns raised by the most recent CQC
report, and to provide an update in an informal meeting to the
Adults and Health Select Committee on the extent to which SECAmb is
addressing these concerns.