Agenda and minutes

Adults and Lifelong Learning Select Committee
Wednesday, 13 February 2019 10.30 am

Venue: Ashcombe, County Hall, Kingston upon Thames, KT1 2DN

Contact: Andrew Baird  0208 541 7609

No. Item


Apologies for Absence and Substitutions


Minutes of the Previous Meeting: 11 October 2018 pdf icon PDF 106 KB


Declarations of Interest


    All Members present are required to declare, at this point in the meeting or

    as soon as possible thereafter:


    i.       any disclosable pecuniary interests and / or;


    ii.      other interests arising under the Code of Conduct in respect of any item(s) of business being considered at this meeting




    ·        Members are reminded that they must not participate in any item where they have a disclosable pecuniary interest;


    ·        as well as an interest of the Member, this includes any interest, of which the Member is aware, that relates to the Member’s spouse or civil partner (or any person with whom the Member is living as a spouse or civil partner); and


    ·        Members with a significant personal interest may participate in the discussion and vote on that matter unless that interest could be reasonably regarded as prejudicial.



    None received.


Questions & Petitions

    To receive any questions or petitions




    1.     The deadline for Member’s questions is 12.00pm four working days before the meeting (Thursday 7 February).


    2.     The deadline for public questions is seven days before the meeting (Wednesday 6 February).


    3.     The deadline for petitions was 14 days before the meeting, and no petitions have been received.


    None received.


Response from the Cabinet to Issues Referred by the Select Committee


Adult Social Care Transformation Programme pdf icon PDF 136 KB

    Purpose of the Report:


    This report describes the Adult Social Care Transformation Programme, the expected changes and transformation of Adult Social Care in Surrey and the anticipated impact and challenges.


    Additional documents:




    Sinead Mooney, Cabinet Member for Adults

    Simon White, Interim Director of Adult Social Care

    Mike Boyle, Interim Director of Commissioning and Transformation (Adult Social Care)

    Will House, Head of Finance (Adult Social Care)

    Sonya Sellar, Area Director (Adult Social Care)

    Peter Tempest, Interim Assistant Director for Learning Disabilities

    Liz Uliasz, Deputy Director (Adult Social Care)


    Key points raised during the discussion:


    1. An introduction to the Transformation Programme report was provided by officers, who stated that it aimed to make sure the Council delivered its statutory care responsibilities without tightening its eligibility criteria or adversely affecting those who rely on its services.
    2. Members heard about the financial implications of the Transformation Programme, with the Interim Director of Adult Social Care highlighting the progress made by the department. The Committee were told that Adult Social Care (ASC) was set the task of saving £10.7m and are currently forecast a £16.8m underspend, with that underspend likely to be larger come the end of the year.
    3. A Member of the Committee asked whether any elements of what is being proposed have been proven to work elsewhere, or whether ASC are starting with a completely new model. The Interim Director of Adult Social Care explained that much of the work was already underway in the department before he arrived, and that it was based significantly on two sources. The first was the work that John Bolton, Visiting Professor at Oxford Brookes University’s Institute of Public Care, had presented through a publication called Six Steps to Managing Demand in Adult Social Care, while the second was concerned with the ‘In Control’ work that the Council had previously done with younger age adults. The Interim Director of Adult Social Care went on to talk about the ‘person-centred’ philosophy behind the Transformation Programme, which was concerned with investing in people’s independence while simultaneously dealing with demographic growth and financial pressures.
    4. As a follow-up question, a Member of the Committee questioned the role of the Social Care Institute for Excellence (SCIE) and asked how they would be working with the Council. The Interim Executive Director of Adult Social Care replied that working with SCIE would allow the Council to take an active part in networks that would let them work with other authorities that were implementing similar proposals.
    5. The Interim Executive Director told the Committee about the activities being undertaken to shape the market for preventative services, discussing how Adult Social Care meet regularly with a range of providers.
    6. Regarding the quoted 5% reduction in the number of people using adult social care services, a Member of the Committee questioned ongoing demographic challenges and what impact these may have on this forecast target. The Interim Executive Director discussed the difficulties concerning demographics. The greatest pressure came from adults with learning difficulties – for example, the number of people cared for by their parents for years before presenting themselves to social care services. With life expectancy also increasing, this represented a challenge that the Transformation Programme was seeking  ...  view the full minutes text for item 6.


Recommendations Tracker and Forward Work Programme pdf icon PDF 55 KB


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