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1/22

APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE AND SUBSTITUTIONS

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    Purpose of the item:

     

    To receive any apologies for absence and substitutions.

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    None received.

2/22

MINUTES OF THE PREVIOUS MEETINGS: 17 DECEMBER 2021 pdf icon PDF 232 KB

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    Purpose of the item:

     

    To review the minutes of the previous meeting. The minutes will be formally agreed as a true and accurate record of proceedings at the next public meeting of the Select Committee.

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    Minutes:

    The minutes of the Resources and Performance Select Committee held on 17 December 2021 were reviewed. The minutes will be formally agreed at the 14 April 2022 Committee Meeting.

3/22

DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST

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    Purpose of the item:

     

    All Members present are required to declare, at this point in the meeting or as soon as possible thereafter:

     

          I.        Any disclosable pecuniary interests and/or

     

        II.        Other interests arising under the Code of Conduct in respect of any item(s) of business being considered at this meeting.

     

    NOTES:

     

    ·         Members are reminded that they must not participate in any item where they have a disclosable pecuniary interest.

     

    ·         As well as an interest of the Member, this includes any interest, of which the Member is aware, that relates to the Member’s spouse or civil partner (or any person with whom the Member is living as a spouse or civil partner).

     

    ·         Members with a significant personal interest may participate in the discussion and vote on that matter unless that interest could be reasonably regarded as prejudicial.

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    None received.

4/22

QUESTIONS AND PETITIONS

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    Purpose of the item: To receive any questions or petitions.

     

    NOTES:

     

    1.    The deadline for Members’ questions is 12:00pm four working days before the meeting (14 January 2022).

     

    2.    The deadline for public questions is seven days before the meeting (13 January 2022).

     

    3.    The deadline for petitions was 14 days before the meeting, and no petitions have been received.

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    None received.

5/22

DIGITAL BUSINESS AND INSIGHTS PROGRAMME UPDATE pdf icon PDF 273 KB

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    Purpose of the item:

     

    To provide an update on the Digital Business & Insights programme including its projected benefits.

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    Witnesses:

    Becky Rush, Cabinet Member for Finance and Resources

     

    Leigh Whitehouse, Deputy Chief Executive & Executive Director of Resources

    Andrew Richards, Digital, Business and Insights Programme Manager

     

     

    Key points raised during the discussion:

     

    1.    The Chairman read out the recommendations made by the Resources and Performance Select Committee on 8th October 2020, before current membership of the committee was in place: “The Select Committee is concerned about the tight deadlines, achievement of savings, and lack of an obvious contingency plan. Therefore, the Select Committee recommends that there is assurance put in place demonstrating effective monitoring of risks, timely review of progress and implementation of next steps”. Officers were invited to provide an update regarding the delay to the go-live date and the programme currently. An officer summarised that a review was undertaken in Autumn 2021 when it was realised that the planned December go-live was no longer deemed achievable. This resulted in a re-plan and additional funding request being put before Cabinet on 21 December 2021. Good progress had been made towards the April go-live since that point, including a finalised build of the solution, integrated testing system and parallel payroll running activity. A Cutover Readiness Checkpoint will be completed on 28 January 2022 to assess readiness to progress with the cutover plan for an April go-live and whilst uncertainty and risks remain, the team continued to focus on the delivery of the April go-live. 

     

    2.    The Chairman asked if the material risk to achieving the April go-live could result in further delay and cost to the Council. An Officer said that the programme was replacing the existing SAP (Systems and Applications) system at Surrey County Council (SCC) and would touch the whole organisation of approximately 10,000 users in addition to 30,000 external users included in school’s payroll. Back-office processes across finance, procurement, Human Resources (HR) and payroll as well as integrations currently in existence for SAP would be included with the addition of new integrations. The result was a very large-scale programme and a significant risk of further delays remained. A Deed of Variation had been agreed to the existing contract with Unit4 to reflect agreed milestones and to ensure that SCC was able to exercise its rights fully. Unit4 were paid on achievement of agreed milestones, with SCC being responsible for delivering its side of the contract to avoid any additional costs or delays.

     

    3.    A Member recalled that the Committee had questioned the Digital, Business and Insights (DB&I) deadline overview at the Resources and Performance Select Committee Meeting on 17 September 2021 and received the response that it was too early for an update. A programme update, was expected at this stage, including stakeholder board meetings with RAG (Red, Amber, Green) rated information on processes at that time. There was a concern that translation mapping of the target source data from the existing SAP system was not obvious or of sufficient quality and that data mapping and translation into Unit4 was not completed fully or accurately.  ...  view the full minutes text for item 5/22

6/22

CAPITAL, INVESTMENT AND TREASURY MANAGEMENT STRATEGY 2022/23 pdf icon PDF 149 KB

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    Purpose of the item:

     

    Scrutiny of the Capital, Investment and Treasury Management Strategy. (report to follow initially, now included in the supplementary agenda)

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                Witnesses:

    Becky Rush, Cabinet Member for Finance & Resources

     

    Anna D’Alessandro, Finance Director – Corporate & Commercial

    Mark Hak-Sanders, Strategic Finance Business Partner

     

     

    Key points raised during the discussion:

     

    1. An Officer introduced the report, providing an overview of how the strategy would fit within Surrey County Council’s overall budget papers and processes.

     

    1. A Member questioned if the Select Committee could have access to specific training on this matter. An Officer said that this was offered to Audit and Governance Committee and could be made available to Members of the Resources and Performance Select Committee.

     

    1. A Member stated that it would be beneficial to offer all Committee Members property portfolio seminars or a Members Seminar for this fast-changing subject. The Chairman agreed.

     

    Actions/further information to be provided:

     

    1. The Strategic Finance Business to arrange for training to be made available for Committee Members.

     

    1. The Strategic Finance Business Partner to organise a property portfolio Member Seminar going forward.

     

7/22

AGILE OFFICE ESTATE STRATEGY pdf icon PDF 305 KB

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    Purpose of the item:

     

    The overall intention is for the Committee to have sight of the office estate proposals in advance of any further reports being submitted to Cabinet, to provide review and support for key recommendations as well as highlighting any areas of concern.

     

    N.B There are Part 2 annexes to this item.

     

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    Witnesses:

    Natalie Bramhall, Cabinet Member for Property and Waste

     

    Leigh Whitehouse, Deputy Chief Executive and Executive Director for Resources

    Simon Crowther, Director – Land and Property

    Matthew Pizii, Client Account Manager

    Dominic Barlow, Assistant Director, - Corporate Landlord

    Brendon Kavanagh, Portfolio Lead – Corporate

     

    Key points raised during the discussion:

     

    1. The Chairman thanked the service for the detailed reports. The item went to Cabinet in December 2021 and it was decided that it should also be presented to the Resources and Performance Select Committee. Cabinet approved a potential spend just in excess of £20 million with further strategy, analysis and subsequent cabinet approval in light of those outcomes.

     

    1. A Member asked if it would be better value for money to refurbish Quadrant Court than to sell it and find a suitable alternative site, it was asked why SCC seemed averse to refurbishing its existing properties. The Cabinet Member for Property and Waste said that the current requirement was to provide a healthy, fit for purpose, energy efficient space for staff and it would be difficult to create energy efficiency at Quadrant Court. As agreed at Cabinet, the team were reviewing a wider scope of options. The County Councils property strategies needed to be dynamic and adaptable over time with the County Council refurbishing buildings where the strategy was for longer term retention.

     

    1. A Member, in relation to the Cabinet Member for Property and Waste’s comment that buildings were not renovated if there were no plans to retain them, noted that if property was not regularly updated an incentive for closure was created. The Cabinet Member for Property and Waste conveyed that a new team within Land and Property had undertaken work to improve, change and move with the times.

     

    1. A Member queried the potential move of Adult Social Care local teams out of district and borough offices and asked had the impact to district and borough finances been considered. The Cabinet Member for Property and Waste concluded that Surrey County Council ensured good working partnerships whilst prioritising its own financial position and the critical services funded through a limited budget. With current financial pressures, all public bodies were looking at how to deliver modernised space at the best value. Districts and boroughs would be able to define individual impacts as the program progressed. Discussions were ongoing with potential partners to co-locate as part of options reviewed as already facilitated at Woodhatch Place. Place based assessments of all Surrey County Council’s decisions enabled consideration of projects and opportunities in and around the districts and boroughs as part of the final decision for relocating teams. Development of the Agile Offices Estate Strategy had been commercially sensitive, however, engagement with the boroughs and districts began in December last year ahead of Cabinet and a detailed sequence of discussions would commence soon with the majority of proposed moves due for November 2023. The Deputy Chief Executive and Executive Director for Resources explained that the Cabinet report had been shared with colleagues in districts and  ...  view the full minutes text for item 7/22

8/22

EXCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC

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    That under Section 100(A) of the Local Government Act 1972, the public be excluded from the meeting during consideration of the following items of  business on the grounds that they involve the likely disclosure of exempt information under the relevant paragraphs of Part 1 of Schedule 12A of the Act.

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    The Cabinet Member for Property and Waste introduced a Part 2 report containing information which was exempt from Access to Information requirements by virtue of paragraph 3 – Information relating to the financial or business affairs of any particular person (including commercially sensitive information to the bidding companies)

     

9/22

AGILE OFFICE ESTATE STRATEGY

    This Part 2 report contains information which is exempt from Access to Information requirements by virtue of paragraph 3 – Information relating to the financial or business affairs of any particular person (including commercially sensitive information to the bidding companies).

     

    Additional documents:

    Minutes:

    [Part Two discussion internal record only, not for publication]

     

     

    Witnesses:

    Natalie Bramhall, Cabinet Member for Property and Waste

     

    Leigh Whitehouse, Deputy Chief Executive and Executive Director for Resources

    Simon Crowther, Director – Land and Property

    Matthew Pizii, Client Account Manager

    Dominic Barlow, Assistant Director, - Corporate Landlord

    Brendon Kavanagh, Portfolio Lead – Corporate

    The Cabinet Member for Property and Waste introduced a Part 2 report containing information which was exempt from Access to Information requirements by virtue of paragraph 3 – Information relating to the financial or business affairs of any particular person (including commercially sensitive information to the bidding companies)

     

    Key points raised during the discussion:

     

    1.    The Select Committee discussed the exempt annexes asking questions of the witnesses under Part 2 conditions.

     

10/22

COMMERCIAL INVESTMENT PROPERTY

    Purpose of report:

     

    To scrutinise the Council’s commercial investment property.

     

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    [Part Two discussion internal record only, not for publication]

     

    Witnesses:

    Becky Rush, Cabinet Member for Finance & Resources

    Natalie Bramhall, Cabinet Member for Property & Waste

     

    Anna D’Alessandro, Director – Corporate, Finance & Commercial

    Simon Crowther, Director – Land & Property

    Ryan Curran, Senior Development Manager

    Paul Forrester, Strategic Finance Business Partner

     

     

    The Cabinet Member for Property and Waste introduced a Part 2 report containing information which was exempt from Access to Information requirements by virtue of paragraph 3 – Information relating to the financial or business affairs of any particular person (including commercially sensitive information to the bidding companies).

     

     

    Key points raised during the discussion:

     

    1.    The Select Committee discussed the exempt annexes asking questions of the witnesses under Part 2 conditions.

     

     

     

    Resolved:

    The Resources and Performance decided to make its recommendations public:

     

    1. Asks the Service/Cabinet Member to share with the Select Committee yearly revaluation reports for Surrey and Halsey Garton properties annually, as soon as available; and

     

    1. Requests the Cabinet Member to consider establishing a stand-alone Council wide strategic Member Asset Advisory Panel to assist decision making and oversight of the strategy in respect of the property portfolio

     

11/22

PUBLICITY OF PART 2 ITEMS

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    To consider whether the items considered under Part 2 of the agenda should be made available to the Press and public.

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    To consider whether the item considered under Part 2 of the agenda should be made available to the press and public.

     

    It was agreed that the information in relation to the Part 2 items discussed at the meeting would remain exempt.

12/22

FORWARD WORK PROGRAMME AND RECOMMENDATION TRACKER pdf icon PDF 94 KB

13/22

DATE OF THE NEXT MEETING: 14 APRIL 2022

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    The next meeting of the Resources and Performance Select Committee will be held on 14 April 2022 at 10:00am.

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    The Committee noted its next meeting would be held on 14 April 2022.