Witnesses:
Professor Andrew Rhodes, Professor of Critical Care at the
University of London and the Chief Medical Officer for Surrey
Heartlands Integrated Care Board (SHICB)
Lucy
Hetherington, Associate Director of Planned
Carefor Surrey
Heartlands Integrated Care Board
Alexander Stamp, Deputy Chief Operating Officer– Planned
Care Frimley Heath Foundation Trust (FHFT)
Orlagh
Flynn, ICS Programme Director Elective Care, deputising obo Stephen
Dunn, Director of System Flow and Delivery (Frimley NHS
Trust)
Key point raised during the
discussion:
- The
Chief Medical Officer (SHICB) provided a brief introduction to the
report about the elective delivery of the waiting lists relating to
outpatient surgery, diagnostics, and cancer.
- The
Chairman referred to the serious impact on those on the waiting
list for long periods, and that there were further challenges to
waiting lists over the past 12 months due to industrial action in
addition to the impact of Covid. The Chairman asked if Surrey
Heartlands Integrated Care Board (SHICB) had a system in place to
cope with this and asked what the outlook was. The Chairman also
asked whether SHICB expected to bring their waiting lists back to
the required standards and how confident they were that the data
available was accurate. The Chief Medical Officer explained that
waiting lists had not recovered since the Covid pandemic.
Industrial action further impacted waiting lists. SHICB’s
hospitals learnt to manage and mitigate industrial action over
time. Industrial action had since finished, and it was hoped it
would not continue. Waiting lists were expected to take several
years to return to required standards. This involved aligning
capacity against demand, ensuring the right staff, facilities and
infrastructure was in place.
- A
Member asked if there were any outstanding patients waiting over
78-weeks that did not relate to patient choice or conflicting
medical needs. If this was the case, the Member asked how these
patients were being prioritised. The Chief Medical Officer (SHICB)
noted that a year prior, SHICB had patients waiting over two years,
but had been resolving some of these long waits. The current aim
was to see all patients within 65-weeks. The 78-week wait time had
broadly disappeared. There were still a few patients at this wait
time, usually due to the complexity of a patient’s caseload.
Patients were prioritised against clinical need, by treating the
most complex and high-risk patients first. The aim to get all
patients seen within 65-weeks by the end of September 2024 was
expected to be achieved by the end of 2024. The next focus would
then be to reduce the wait to 52-weeks by
mid2025.
- The
Member referred to NHS Frimley Integrated Care Board’s (ICB)
increased waiting list and its increase post-EPIC system
implementation. The Member asked what actions were being taken by
NHS Frimley ICB to manage and reduce the waiting lists, and when
they would be under control and exceeding expected standards. The
Member asked how NHS Frimley ICB was supporting patients with long
waits to manage their conditions. The
Member also asked for consideration to be given to referrals for
elective surgery usually being made when the condition was already
causing serious pain and impact on daily life.
- The
Board Director of Healthwatch Surrey asked if regular feedback was
received from patients on their waiting experience and what had
worked well for them and if it would be improved. The Board
Director asked if it had been used to
improve the quality of the wait journey.
- The
Deputy Chief Operating Officer (FHFT) explained that FHFT’s
waiting list was increasing up until EPIC's implementation due to
organisational pressure. FHFT had a challenging winter position
with Urgent and Emergency Care (UEC) pressure, which put pressure
on elective services and pathways. FHFT had improved coping with
elective challenges. FHFT’ Heatherwood Hospital was a Getting
It Right First Time (GIRFT) accredited elective hub which helped
elective pathways. Changes in how EPIC handled referrals resulted
in an unaccounted-for waiting list change. There was reduction in
activity as FHFT’s team acclimatised to EPIC, which increased
waiting lists. The waiting list growth over time was due to demand
on some of FHFT’s services. FHFT understood their waiting
list and had high-quality data, such as validation levels of
waiting list size. FHFT took assurance in their position and
waiting list accuracy. A challenge for FHFT was service demand.
Covid caused a significant backlog and system pressure. FHFT
reviewed services to assess demand and identify needed
interventions. FHFT was reviewing services to understand the demand
and interventions needed. Reducing waiting lists to constitutional
standards would be a multi-year approach. A big organisational
change and work with Integrated Care System (ICS) colleagues was in
managing primary care demand. Intervention being reviewed and
developed should bring improvements.
- The
Deputy Chief Operating Officer (FHFT) explained that FHFT was
fairly active in communicating with patients regarding their
position on the waiting list when they achieved a certain
threshold. FHFT encouraged patients as part of this process to
outline any concerns they had on the impact of their condition
deteriorating. If a patient had concerns, FHFT’s general
policy was that the patient should first visit their General
Practitioner (GP) who had a route to expedite referrals to
hospitals. The Deputy Chief Operating Officer (FHFT) was not fully
cited on feedback from patients regarding the process, but was open
to further discussions and review to what FHFT could do
better.
- Regarding SHICB’s Data Quality (DQ) issues, following the
Cerner installation during 2023/24, which resulted in some patients
waiting extended periods of time, the Vice-Chair asked if all DQ
issues had been identified and asked what ongoing work was being
done with NHS Trusts to identify and mitigate further DQ issues.
The Chief Medical Officer (SHICB) explained that Guildford and
Ashford & St Peter’s Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust had
experienced serval difficulties with the Cerner system that led to
DQ issues. Cerner was complex and needed a high level of training
for staff. This training was not where it was needed during
Cerner’s implementation which caused issues, and there was
now a focus to ensure staff were properly trained to use the
system. Several DQ issues were identified and resolved as part of
this. It was unclear if all DQ issues were resolved, as some could
still be unidentified. The priorities were to reduce waiting lists
which made data validation easier and put in place staff training
for Cerner ensuring appropriate controls and mitigations were in
place. SHICB were confident they were in a better place than before
but could not be certain other problems would not arise, as seen
elsewhere in the country.
- Regarding ensuring sufficient diagnostic capacity to support
cancer and elective activity and reduce wait times, the Chairman
asked how the committee could be reassured that the NHS
England’s current expectation that no patient should wait
more than 65-weeks for elective care by September 30 2024 had been
met, and asked how it would continue to improve. The Chairman
questioned if the target was not met, what was being done to
accelerate this. The Chief Medical Officer (SHICB) noted that SHICB
performed well in diagnostic capacity but recognised that earlier
diagnosis enabled patients to be treated sooner. The national focus
was to move much of SHICB’s diagnostics into the community.
The Woking site was used to develop community, and the Caterham
site was being utilised for community diagnostics. Space Belfry
Shopping Centre in Redhill would potentially be used. The aim was
to increase capacity and to enable earlier diagnosis, outside of
hospitals. SHICB were looking to transform diagnostic delivery
outside of hospitals closer to primary care colleagues, and
simultaneously aim to increase capacity to deliver surgery. An
elective operating site was being developed at Ashford hospital in
line with government policy to split elective and emergency
procedures. The Royal Surrey Guildford’s cancer centre was
being redeveloped and its capacity was being increased to deliver
interventions and reduce wait times.
- The
Chairman noted that NHS Frimley was in the process of building a
new diagnostic and imaging centre at Frimley Park Hospital,
providing 74 extra beds.
- A
Member asked if there was a timeline for SHICB’s plans. The
Chief Medical Officer (SHICB) explained that the elective operating
centre would be working by the end of 2024. The appointment of
staff to this centre to fully utilise capacity was an ongoing
process. Some staff groups such as the anaesthetic staff that were
more critical than others, not only for their role but there was a
shortage of such staff which might cause delays. The Ashford sites
elective centre provided significant additional capacity in the
system. SHICB was working with all their organisations, so capacity
was not looked at just within an organisational boundary but across
Surrey. Patients were beginning to be asked to move around to free
capacity so they could be treated earlier.
- The
Member raised that collaboration was key and suggested it would be
two years before waiting lists would be reduced to the expected
level. The Chief Medical Officer (SHICB) explained that returning
to the waiting list constitutional standards was a multi-year
approach. National guidance was to return to these standards within
the next parliamentary cycle, and within the next 4 years. There
was not complete reassurance that this would be delivered in all
parts of the country. Surrey’s waiting lists were reducing
faster than anywhere else in the country, but there was still a
long way to go.
- A
Member asked what some of the achievements in collaborative
approaches had been, what difficulties remained, and how were
improvements being achieved. The Chief Medical Officer (SHICB)
explained that as SHICB developed the elective centre in Ashford,
there was work occurring to ensure SHICB was reviewing their
waiting lists across Surrey, rather than just within organisations
and the hospitals. Waiting lists could then be segmented for
example, by the geography, ethnicity and deprivation, to ensure
inequalities across Surrey were addressed. SHICB had digital tools
which were being developed, to improve the ability to move patients
between different organisations to free-up capacity and treat
patients more quickly.
- A
Member asked about what was required to meet the constitutional
standard, referred to as the referral-to-treatment (RTT), up to the
target of 92% of patients waiting no more than 18-weeks for
referral to the first consultant-led treatment, and if this figure
was accurate. The Member also asked what the main issues were in
meeting the RTT target. The Chief Medical Officer (SHICB) explained
it was expected to take 3 to 5 years to achieve the RTT target. The
key was to reduce waiting lists, which stood at around 150,000
people. They needed to reduce to pre-Covid levels of around 90,000
people to be within or near the constitutional standard. Therefore,
SHICB needed to treat more patients, which was part of the work to
increase capacity to deliver interventions. Demand needed to be
managed and understood. Surrey’s population was increasing,
which also increased demand. Surrey County Council’s (SCC)
data showed there would be another 30% of people aged 85 in Surrey
by 2030. This age group accessed SHICB’s services most
often.
- The
Vice-Chair asked about SHICB’s waiting well initiative that
was introduced in Ashford and St Peter’s Hospitals NHS
Foundation Trust (ASPH). The Associate Director of Planned Care
explained that ASPH introduced a patient portal. Every 4-weeks
there was a process where patients could be contacted. Patients
could relay questions and concerns through a feedback mechanism.
ASPH was seeking additional support for a wider multi-disciplinary
team to support patients in the waiting process with pain
management and other concerns. SHICB was looking at this across the
system to pass on to other partners.
- The
Chairman raised that consideration needed to be given to the
accessibility of communication. The Chairman asked what both SHICB
and Frimley Integrated Care Board (FICB) were doing to ensure
patients were getting valid communication with appropriate
messaging around what they should be doing, particularly during the
waiting period. The Chairman also raised that a large part of the
population did not understand complex language and NHS acronyms.
The Chief Medical Officer noted that communication was key. The
patient portals were being introduced across SHICB’s
organisations. Feedback indicated the patient portals were
well-received and enabled access to correspondence. Whether
individual communication was appropriate was challenging to
understand. The use of plain English was important.. The Chief
Medical Officer referred to a visit he had to a primary care
service that had implemented Artificial Intelligence algorithms to
correspondence, which translated GP’s referrals to plain
English. Initial hospital feedback was that this improved the
quality of referrals. Some people not able to access the NHS App
were recognised, and hard-copy correspondence was still
used.
- A
Member noted the importance of keeping patients informed. The Chief
Medical Officer (SHICB) noted there was an expectation for patients
to be kept aware of what was going on. The majority of SHICB’s patients got to
sign appropriate consent forms and were communicated with after a
procedure.
- A
Member asked how it would be ensured that patients with no digital
awareness could still access their records. The Chief Medical
Officer (SHICB) explained that hard-copy records were still used.
There was work being undertaken to understand this patient group to
support and use other communication methods.
- The
Chairman asked how SHICB worked with other organisations to deal
with cancer and elective care backlogs, such as private hospitals
and neighbouring NHS trusts, to make effective use of capacity. The
Chief Medical Officer (SHICB) explained there was capacity in
Surrey’s traditional NHS organisations. Capacity could be
used in other NHS organisations outside of Surrey and in the
independent sector, such as private organisations and other health
organisations (profit or non-profit) within Surrey. A government
policy was to utilise all capacity available. In the last few
years, all SHICB’s organisations improved on utilising their
assets, such as moving from a 5- to 6-day, and sometimes 7-day
operating. The traditional 8-to-10-hour day increased to
10-to-12-hour days. A challenge was the staff’s ability to
keep up with demand. As demand increased for the SHICB workforce,
there was a risk of staff burn-out which could impact safe working.
SHICB needed to maintain the balance in maximising use while also
deploying its workforce safely.
- The
Chairman brought attention to Heatherwood Hospital and the GIRFT
report, that showed running the same type of surgery consecutively
had efficiency gains, underlining the benefits of an elective
surgery centre, with emergency care arrivals not diverting the
production line approach. The Chief Medical Officer (SHICB) noted
SHICB was working on this. A modern estate that was well-kept and
built for purpose enabled productivity gains. Some of the estates
that SHICB organisations use to operate in were old and not
maintained to expected standards, impacting on
productivity.
- The
Chairman asked about the constraints of the estates and what the
strategic approach was to deal with them. The Chief Medical Officer (SHICB) explained that
the strategic approach was to split SHICB’s elective planned
care services away from their emergency sites. Secondly, the
approach was to ensure there was adequate and well-maintained
infrastructure in place, such as adequate air handling in operating
theatres for well-maintained infection control. Financial support
structures enabled this approach to occur in a timely
manner.
- The
Chairman referred to the impact of the time a patient spent in
hospital after an operation and asked what was being done around
the hospital discharge process. The Chief Medical Officer (SHICB)
explained that SHICB was moving many surgical interventions into
day-case surgery, where a patient was discharged from hospital on
the same day as their operation, which required the right
facilities. This was done well in some parts of Surrey, but other
areas did not have the amount of day-case infrastructure and
support in place. SHICB also needed to ensure that processes within
their hospitals were aligned to getting patients mobilised and home
in a timely and safe manner. For example, an ambition was to get
hip replacement surgical patients discharged within a day. Some
parts of the country were achieving this at 70-80%, but SHICB had
an average of 2.8 days for discharging these patients. The quicker
patients were discharged the more support was needed outside of
hospital to stop patients returning to hospital, which was a
challenge.
- Regarding physical estates, the Deputy Chief Operating Officer
(FHFT) added that although FHFT had good and well-utilised estates,
Frimley Park Hospital was impaired by Reinforced Autoclaved Aerated
Concrete (RAAC) and had lost two theatres as a result. RAAC would
be an ongoing challenge, up until the new hospital was built, which
was planned for 2030. FHFT was working to mitigate the impact of
RAAC, which often involved the use of Heatherwood Hospital. There
was a RAAC multi-year programme of inspections.
- In
reference to the report the Chairman stated that SHICB was
scrutinising the data in detail at a speciality level in relation
to waiting times and asked if there were any issues identified. The
Chief Medical Officer (SHICB) raised that the specialty area that
had the biggest problem tended to be orthopaedics, such as hip,
knee, and shoulder replacement surgeries. The volume of patients
coming through to this area was more than could currently be
managed, which further increased waiting lists. Another challenging
speciality was optometry, specifically for cataracts surgery, due
to a high volume of patients that outstripped demand. Therefore,
additional capacity was being put into the elective site in
Ashford. There were several other providers that came into this
marketplace to provide support. Some of the major cancer pathways
remained challenged due to complexity and rarity. The report
highlighted the challenges concerning complex gynaecological
procedures, especially for endometriosis, which required
simultaneous co-ordination between different teams for a long
period of time.
RESOLVED:
- Surrey
Heartlands NHS ICB to clearly communicate learnings from the Cancer
Inequalities Programme especially in relation to the effectiveness
of actions taken in terms of improving outcomes and experiences for
patients.
- Keep
the Adults and Health Select Committee updated on the Surrey
Heartlands NHS ICB Cancer Inequalities Programme and its impact on
both the Health and Wellbeing Priority Areas and groups
experiencing inequalities.
- To
improve accessibility, and to ensure that communication is
effective and does not disenfranchise those who aren’t able
to use technology in one way or another.
Meeting paused for a break at
11.08am
Meeting
resumed at 11.45am