Witnesses:
Paula Neal, Relationship
Manager Skills for Business
Bob Pickles, Chairman of the Employment and Skills Board,
Head of Corporate & Government
AffairsCanon UK & Ireland
Tracie Evans, Executive Director of Economy, Growth and
Commercial
Key points
raised in the discussion:
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Officers provided context to the formation of the
Employment and Skills Board (ESB) in 2013, noting that it was aimed
to encourage economic growth in partnership with the local
authority, employers, higher education authorities and other key
stakeholders. It was stressed that this was a volunteer, employer
led body. It was noted, however, that the ESB had received
dedicated officer support from Surrey County Council as of early
2018.
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The Chairman of the Employment and Skills
Board highlighted that one of the key assets of the ESB was its
capability to create a network of employers, local
authorities, higher education
authorities, and others which would work
to identify skills gaps and provide a collective voice to suggest
resolutions to these skills gaps.
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Members questioned whether there was a
significant gap between public and private sector ways of working.
The Chairman of the Employment and Skills Board noted that there
was a difference in working cultures, but that the public sector
had been changing to more match private sector ways of working,
which ensured that this issue was not acute. It was noted, however,
that there was still a cultural difference in the way that schools
work, but that the ESB had worked to outreach to schools to bridge
the gap.
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Members questioned how the ESB could outreach more
to businesses and to improve its visibility. The Chairman of the Employment and Skills Board noted
that it had been working with the Relationship Manager, Skills for
Business to further develop the digital reach of the ESB, and that
more work needed to be done to improve upon this.
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Members questioned whether disability groups were
represented sufficiently on the ESB and whether there was any
opportunity to outreach to these groups to potentially engage with
a project to improve disabled employability. The Chairman of the Employment and Skills Board stressed
that all representatives of the ESB dealt with issues relating to
disability on a regular basis, but that there was no specific
representative. The Chairman of the ESB did note that he would like
to see improved engagement with disability groups, and welcomed
input from the Committee as to how to potentially engage better
with these groups. Members offered to provide suggestions to the
Chairman of the ESB after the meeting.
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Members questioned gaps in membership and
outreach, asking whether there was scope to include NHS and school
organisations more. The Chairman of the ESB explained that it was
working to regain school representation on the Board; it was noted
that it had been the case historically that there was a
representative of schools on the Board, which the Board was hoping
to rectify. It was also stressed that the Board was currently
seeking a representative from the NHS. The Chairman of the ESB
asked the Committee whether it could provide information or
contacts for NHS organisations to help with outreach.
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The Chairman of the
Employment and Skills Board explained that a key work stream of the
ESB through 2018 had been work undertaken on the
“debug” of the apprenticeship levy from a business
perspective.
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Members noted that the take-up of
apprenticeships had dropped in the county from implementation of
the apprenticeship levy and questioned why this was the case and if
there was any reputation work for apprenticeships that the ESB
could engage with. Officers noted that the Board was working to
understand the inhibitions towards utilisation of the
apprenticeship levy by businesses.
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Officers explained that there was work
underway in businesses to design apprenticeship standards to
clarify what is required from an apprenticeship and increase
take-up. It was stressed by the Chairman of the Employment and
Skills Board that the Relationship Manager, Skills for Business had
undertaken work to organise an event to analyse more thoroughly
reasons for lower uptake.
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Officers explained that the Deputy Leader
had implemented an Apprenticeship Task Force to analyse issues
preventing the Local Authority from maximising the use of
apprenticeships.
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Officers noted that improved links with
schools, Higher Education authorities and the Local Enterprise
Partnerships (LEPs) was important in enhancing the reputation of
apprenticeships. It was noted that secondary schools were becoming
more active, and were required to appoint a dedicated career
leader, as part of the Gatsby benchmarks, in September 2018. It was
also noted that the ESB supported the work of the LEPs on a work
stream to recruit volunteer business leaders to work strategically
with school leadership teams to improve career advice, which was
aimed to improve links between businesses and schools and close
skills gaps.
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Members questioned whether there was more
scope to further outreach to Small and Medium Enterprises (SMEs).
The Chairman of the Employment and Skills Board noted that the
Board included the Federation of Small Businesses, and others, and
that it did work to network with small businesses as much as
possible to gain their views. It was noted that the ESB would
welcome further views on how to outreach to SMEs better in future
and encouraged Members to outreach to SMEs on behalf of the Board
to improve outreach and visibility.
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Members questioned the return of
investment of the ESB and what the overall costs and outcomes for
the Board are. The Chairman of the Employment and Skills Board
offered to provide this information to the Board at a later
date.
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Members asked whether there was any scope
for the ESB to work to encourage development of skills for older
workers. The Chairman of the Employment and Skills Board noted that
there was no longer a cap on age for apprenticeships, which would
serve to encourage development at all ages. It was also noted that
work to improve the reputation of apprenticeships would also aid
with the resolution of this issue.
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Members questioned the work undertaken by
the ESB in the apprenticeship debug, and whether suggestions made
would be utilised. Officers noted that the suggestions that they
had made were well received by the Local Government Association
(LGA) and that suggestions were in line with what the LGA were
hoping to achieve.
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Members questioned the funding for the
ESB and asked whether the funding for the work of the ESB was
secure. It was noted that, beyond volunteer time, the funding
resource was supplied by Surrey County Council. Officers noted that
the ESB would be looking to see whether there were additional
funding opportunities that the Board could engage with from the
LEPs to help improve their project work and impact. It was noted
that officers were looking at alternative sources of funding for
projects, as well as utilising partner organisations resources in
order to undertake these projects.
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Officers outlined the projects planned
for the ESB over the next year, noting that there was planned work
with East Surrey College regarding the implementation of T-Levels,
as well as other projects. Members questioned the implementation of
T-Levels and whether these will work to alleviate the skills gaps
from the perspective of businesses. Officers suggested that T
Levels may work to alleviate the gender gap in Science, Technology,
Engineering and Maths (STEM) subjects better than the current
system.
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Officers offered to share the forward
plan of the Board for the next year with the aim of reporting on
progress of these activities in the next year.
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Officers explained that the Board had
good relations with the LEPs and that they were active in seeking
support from the Board on developing their Strategic Economic
Plans. It was also noted that the LEPs wanted to develop their own
Skills Boards in a similar model to the Surrey one. The Chairman of
the ESB had concerns regarding duplication, but saw opportunities
for linkage with the LEPs.
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Members questioned whether there were
links with schemes for training and development of skills in
Boroughs and Districts, noting that some areas had schemes that
were underway that the ESB could link into. Officers noted that
there was evidence of good programmes and that the ESB was linked
in with them, but that there was significant work to do to
encourage similar programmes across Surrey.
RECOMMENDATIONS:
- That the Deputy Leader includes a work stream in the
Apprenticeship task force that looks at the challenges presented in
the apprenticeship levy from a business perspective, and on
findings relating to issues preventing the Local Authority from
maximising the use of apprenticeships and that this is reported to
the Committee upon its conclusion.
- That the Deputy Leader ensures that sufficient resource is
allocated to the Employment and Skills Board to guarantee that it
can effectively outreach to businesses and partners and that it can
successfully undertake the work in its forward
programme.
- That officers provide information on the return of investment
from Surrey County Council for the ESB.
- That the ESB shares its forward plan of work with the Committee
and that progress on this is reviewed by the Committee in September
2019.