Witnesses:
Mary Lewis, Cabinet Member for Children, Young
People and Families
Julie Iles, Cabinet Member for All Age
Learning
Key points raised
during the discussion:
- The Cabinet Member for Children,
Young People and Families highlighted that progress was continuing
at pace in Children’s Services. The Member informed the
Committee that the Children’s Commissioner’s report
which noted substantial progress had been delayed due to the
general election and would be published on Wednesday 18 December
2019. The feedback meeting with the Children’s Commissioner
was positive and they would be recommending to the Minister that
Children’s Services would no longer need to be under the
auspices of the commissioner.
- A Member of the Committee asked the
Cabinet Member for All Age Learning and the Cabinet Member for
Children, Young People and Families whether in future budget
updates the Cabinet Members could separate their figures into their
two respective areas of responsibility, in order to avoid
ambiguity. The Cabinet Members agreed that the budget update should
be clearer next time.
- The Cabinet Member was questioned
about the commissioning of the new Child and Adolescent Mental
Health service (CAMHS) including the response from the market and
recruitment to permanent post vacancies. The Cabinet Member advised
that there had been positive market engagement so far. The Cabinet
Member also stated the importance of dealing with the current
waiting list problems and explained that there was ongoing work
with the provider, Surrey and Borders Partnership NHS Foundation
Trust (SaBP), to improve this and added
it was crucial to be honest about poor performance.
- The Cabinet Member for Children,
Young People and Families highlighted that there had been a recent
increase in the number of children entering the care system and
that the service needed to increase its efficiency, albeit there
had been an increase in recruitment for foster care placements. The
Cabinet Member informed the Committee that the council’s
residential homes for children were of very good quality, with
Libertas having just been given an outstanding grading by Ofsted
and more money from the capital budget enabling greater capacity of
these homes in the future. The Cabinet Members stated that there
were now permanent directors and service managers in
Children’s Services but there was still a shortage of social
workers both in Surrey and nationally.
- A Member asked the Cabinet Member
for All Age Learning to elaborate on how specialist independent
providers might be successfully negotiated with to ensure
placements were value for money and improved children’s
outcomes. The Cabinet Member stated that they had put capital
investment into increasing available places in the county for
children with special needs and that additional places on supported
internships and Life Skill based programmes for those on the Adult
Social Care (ASC) pathway were being commissioned. They asserted
that the traditional focus on purely qualification-based,
“school” type education did not necessarily give the
most appropriate preparation for adulthood for all children.
Finally, they informed the Committee that the commissioning team
were agreeing the cost of packages to meet Education Health and
Care Plan (EHCP) stipulations and ensuring that there was clarity
on what was included and what fell to other partners, such as
health providers, to pay for.
- A Member welcomed a future Ofsted
inspection and asked whether the Cabinet Member for Children, Young
People and Families could give a timetable of progress vis-a-vis
moving clinical psychologists closer to schools. The Cabinet Member
stated that it was likely that between June and September they
would receive an ILACS (Inspecting Local Authority Children’s
Services) inspection. They appreciated that the training for
support staff in schools - Targeted Approach to Mental Health in
Schools (TaMHS) – in the CAMHS
contract had not been understood well. In September, therefore,
schools were reminded of the training that they could receive for
emotional wellbeing support. The Cabinet Member informed the
Committee that they would be able to discern the percentage
increase of uptake of this support, relative to the previous term,
soon
- The Chairman of the Select Committee
highlighted that in relation to initial health assessments for
looked after children, a third of the deadlines had been missed.
They asked the Cabinet Member for Children, Young People and
Families how they were working to improve this. The Cabinet Member
for Children, Young People and Families replied that the Executive
Director had been speaking to his NHS equivalent to keep initial
health assessments working at a high level of timeliness. When the
success rate had reached 90%, this communication stopped and within
a month there had been clear deterioration. This was therefore
reintroduced and needed to become business as usual. They stated
that within the last month there had been a reduction from 58 to 38
children who were not in the right timescale for their assessment.
Regardless of this improvement, there remained problematic issue
areas such as out-of-county placements, but this was something they
would be focusing on in the future.
- The Chairman also asked whether
school governors’ support for looked after children (LAC) was
an issue and whether the Committee should be scrutinising this. The
Cabinet Member for Children, Young People and Families suggested
that the committee could scrutinise support for all vulnerable
learners, rather than just support for LAC. The Cabinet Member for
Children, Young People and Families informed the Committee that
they would be writing to all of Surrey’s elected councillors
in January outlining their responsibilities in working together to
safeguard children. Additionally, the Cabinet Member requested that
the Committee scrutinise the new Corporate Parenting Strategy at
its next meeting and suggested that a Corporate Parenting annual
report was scrutinised thereafter.
- The Cabinet Member for All Age
Learning highlighted that, in Surrey, disadvantaged pupils in early
years, Key Stage 1, Key Stage 2 and Key Stage 4 achieved below
national results albeit the picture was mixed as to whether the gap
had widened or closed since the 2018 data. Notwithstanding they had
made improvements both in the Virtual School and with how each
child’s progression was monitored. SEND was a significant
area of overspend and home to school transport both mainstream and
to special school places was a key element of that overspend. A
board was being established to provide detailed oversight. The Vice
Chairman of the Select Committee informed the Cabinet Member that
the SEND Task Group would be developing these issues and reporting
its findings in the next Committee meeting.
Actions/Further
information to be provided:
i)
Clearer presentation of budget figures in future Cabinet Member
Update reports.
ii)
Addition of scrutiny item on school governing body support for
vulnerable learners including looked after children and children
with SEN. This in future can be based on the corporate parenting
board annual report.