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Witnesses:

Ciaran McLaughlin, Grant Thornton

Anna D’Alessandro, Director – Corporate Finance 

 

Key points raised during the discussion:

 

Surrey County Council and Pension Fund External Audit Verbal Update – Grant Thornton

 

1.     Ciaran McLaughlin, Grant Thornton, provided Members with an update on the council and pension fund external audit. Members noted the following details:  

·        Almost all areas of the audit were in progress, and all samples had been selected. There were minor disclosures where work needed to be commenced. Audit aim to turn around all sample testing in the next two weeks.

  • The audit was subject to a ‘hot review’ by Grant Thornton’s audit technical team – there was so far nothing ground-breaking coming out of the review compared to others
  • A small number of minor amendments and some disclosure points had been proposed and agreed by the council. There were no material adjustments to the accounts at this stage.
  • In regards to journals, sampling had been completed. There were 24 manual journals to test and evidence had been received from Council
  • In regards to Property, Plant and Equipment (PPE), methods for the council’s valuations had been reviewed by Grant Thornton’s internal expert, Gerald Eve, with one key item highlighted with regards to the valuer’s methodology of using a rating manual for build costs.
  • In regards to surplus assets, in the draft accounts the council had moved £11m of properties from Surplus Assets to Investment Property which was the result of an exercise through which the council re-assessed the portfolio. As there was no clear in-year change of use that is required under IAS40 for such a transfer management considered reversing the transfer. Grant Thornton were considering this matter.
  • That the bulk of the work was completed on pension liabilities.
  • In regards to Minimum Revenue Permission (MRP), the Panel concluded that while the Council’s approach was not explicitly unlawful it did lead to potentially imprudent MRP charge in the year.  Grant Thornton recognise that this was at odds with the views of officers. Grant Thornton’s view was that the council’s approach to MRP with regard to third party loans and loans to purchase equities assumed that the loans could be repaid in full or the assets could be sold at full value to allow the council to repay the debt. In the current economic environment, Grant Thornton believe that this cannot be guaranteed, and this represents a risk to the local council taxpayers. Further to this, the panel agreed that Grant Thornton should comment on this in the audit findings report to those charged with governance and should ask the Audit Governance Committee to confirm that they were satisfied that the Council’s approach results in a prudent MRP being recognised in the year. It was also recommend that the Council reviewed and considered revisions to the policy.
  • Subsidiary audits had been signed off.
  • In regards to Collection Fund Disclosures, there had been a delay in documentation received from the Districts.

·        In regards to Value for Money, the existing qualification regarding children’s services would remain due to no OFSTED update.

·        Regarding the Pension Fund, IAS19 letters had been sent by both internal and external auditors, with their specific requests requiring additional testing, which was in progress. Internal review processes remain to be completed and conclusion of some national discussions around McCloud and Goodwin cases, among others.

2.     The Committee asked if,hypothetically, the council had chosen to adopt a MRP that Grant Thornton were advocating, what the financial difference would be. Officers stated that the financial implication suggested would be £2.5 million. Members further noted that the council had changed the policy in February 2019 and that there was an intention to review the policy once the external audit had completed. Officers stated that they still maintain that they believed the policy was prudent at the time.

  1. The Committee agreed to hold a pre-meeting prior to the next meeting to receive a briefing on the council’s accounts.

 

Action/Further information to note:

 

None.