Witnesses:
Matt Furniss, Cabinet
Member for Transport & Infrastructure
Mark Nuti, Cabinet Member for Communities
Marie Snelling,
Executive Director - Customer & Communities
Katie Stewart,
Executive Director for Environment, Transport &
Infrastructure
James Painter,
Community Partnership Manager
James Glover,
Community, Partnerships & Engagement
Key
points raised during the discussion:
- An Officer introduced a presentation covering the new proposal
that sought Cabinet approval to change the
way in which the executive highway functions currently considered
by Local/Joint Committees were undertaken. Current and transitional arrangements in addition to funding and
allocation summaries for 2022/2023 and 2023/24 were summarised to
clarify queries raised by Members previously.
- The Chairman noted the Community Network Approach (CNA) had not
yet been developed but was mentioned several times in the report
and suggested that the CNA be disregarded at this stage and
reconsidered when there were more details available. The Cabinet Member for Transport and
Infrastructure said there would be no objections to this
recommendation if it enabled clearer consideration of the executive
highways function.
- A Member asked if the
£50,000 capital referred to in the report was an increase.
The Cabinet Member for Transport and Infrastructure noted that the
current amount was £23,000 of capital and £7,500.00 of
revenue and the proposal was to increase that to £50,000 of
capital with an additional £7,500 of revenue, totalling
£57,000.
- A Member was
concerned at the formula to split the transitional year amount of
£2.95 million. Originally, budgets were divided by 81 Members
and then multiplied by the number of county councillors per
borough, resulting in larger boroughs receiving a larger
proportion. The proposal reverts to an 11-way split which was
disproportionately unfair to larger boroughs. The Cabinet Member
for Transport and Infrastructure said that the proposal for the
transitional year had been generous. Every district and borough
would be given the same amount to give them the opportunity of
delivering as many top priorities within this financial year, as
possible. The same methodology from the previous year could be
implemented, however it was worth noting that whilst larger area
such as Elmbridge, Guildford, Reigate and Banstead and Waverley
would benefit, other areas would lose out.
- A Member queried the
reasons for the recommendations of the new procedures and said it
was not clear how the better outcomes noted in the report would be
achieved. The Cabinet Member for Transport and Infrastructure said
that the proposal was an extension of the Select Committee’s
current remit. Currently results of spending and funding decisions
were reported back to the local committee annually which would
continue but instead to the Select Committee. Minor elements would
be built faster with Members working in their local communities
delivering more efficiently without the need to wait for annual or
quarterly Committee cycles.
- A Member asked how
the current process which supported transparency and local
involvement could be replicated. The Cabinet Member for Transport
and Infrastructure confirmed that the highways engagement team
would offer support with appropriate expertise and would attend
local meetings.
- A Member queried why
a process that worked well was being recommended for change. Any
previous non delivery of recommendations put forward had been due
to a lack of resources and the paper did not note an increase in
the resources available. The Cabinet Member for Transport and
Infrastructure explained that joint and local committees had not
quite delivered what was hoped for, with most of their work
undertaken now related to highways. Highways matters were the
responsibility of County Councillors and as such, decisions should
be made by the County Council. It was vital to empower the county
councillors to make decisions for which they had been
democratically elected to undertake.
- A Member, in
reference to a comment from Officers regarding petitions, asked
which alternative established channels could petitions be brought
through. The current process requires petitions to go to joint and
local committees to be debated, how would this be undertaken going
forward. An Officer said that there was an established petition
scheme operated by Surrey County Council and the content of the
petition would determine where a petition matter was
directed.
- A Member was
concerned at the potential lack of instant feedback and local
knowledge when current maintenance engineers were replaced with
newly appointed interface personnel. An Officer explained that it
would remain the role of majors engineers to meet Members on site
to discuss issues. The newly appointed engagement officers would
work closely with County Councillors to provide guidance and
direction.
- An Officer summarised
that there had been an increase to core resources for schemes
proposed including increased traffic engineers and a design team to
progress any ideas put forward. A Member was concerned that
changing the process for traffic maintenance would result in having
to go through less experienced colleagues and suspected that
matters would not go back to the local or joint committee for
engagement due to the method of petitioning. The Cabinet Member for
Transport and Infrastructure reiterated that more resources had
been implemented allowing direct and specific contact to traffic or
highways engineers. The newly appointed engagement team included
experienced and knowledgeable staff and was headed by a former area
hiring manager.
- An Officer said the
data concerning the local engagement by local and highways
committee showed a low level of engagement resulting in work behind
the scenes to enable community conversation to increase engagement
with the public.
- A Member asked how the backlog of the Integrated
Transport Scheme (ITS) would be addressed. The Cabinet Member for
Transport and Infrastructure explained that transitional
arrangements would deliver items prioritised for the next financial
year. From 23 April 2022 items would be judged by the new criteria,
allowing each county councillor to put forward their prioritised
major schemes providing a further opportunity to review items on
the backlog.
- The Cabinet Member
for Highways and Infrastructure reiterated to Members concerned
about resources, that to this point, areas were nominated using the
£23,000 capital, with delivery this financial year. Members
may be asked to make decisions earlier so that works could be
planned appropriately but there are sufficient resources to deliver
all schemes that had been put forward.
- A Member asked if
part of their allocation could be spent on speed surveys. The
Cabinet Member for Transport and Infrastructure confirmed this was
possible.
- A Member appreciated
the concept of CNA but said it required further development and
testing. He asked what tools would be available to Members to
support engagement. An Officer said that the aim of the new
approach would be to ensure Members were clear about the process
and what was on offer to them in terms of tools, techniques and
direction.
- A Member asked how
residents without access to technology would be included in
engagement. An Officer summarised the intention to open varied
lines of communication between County Council partners and
communities and confirmed that new engagement platforms were being
considered in addition to utilising current assets differently,
such as libraries and voluntary organisation premises. A Member
suggested the use of multi-channel communications, including the
more effective use of council tax letters as a way of encouraging
residents to subscribe by email. Districts and boroughs resources
could also be better coordinated and utilised.
- A Member asked if
there were plans to ensure better decision making and scrutiny on a
strategic level in terms of highways schemes within local areas.
The Cabinet Member for Transport and Infrastructure confirmed that
there would be the opportunity for district and boroughs and county
councillors to meet at least once a year to agree borough or
district wide priorities or items affecting more than one or two
divisional councillors.
- A Member asked for
clarification regarding rationale behind the threshold of the
£50,000 capital allocation as most projects would cost more
than this. The Cabinet Member for Transport and Infrastructure
explained that the £50,000 was settled on due to budget
consideration.
- A Member, in
reference to an Officers comment that “where an agreement
cannot be reached on an individual project, it will be escalated
further” asked what this would mean and how would it work in
practice. The Cabinet Member for Transport and Infrastructure
explained that this referenced a situation where a Member wanted to
go against County Council policy with evidence and any escalation
would be to the Cabinet Member. An Officer added that this option
would be a last resort.
- A Member noted the
aim for the process to allow decisions to be made more promptly and
asked if the implementation process would be quicker. The Cabinet
Member for Transport and Infrastructure explained that Members
would be encouraged to make suggestions and discuss with the
relevant officer in good time to enable a prompt
process.
- A Member sought
clarification with regards to working with joint divisional
members. How would joint working with districts and boroughs happen
if there was no longer a local committee. The Cabinet Member for
Transport & Infrastructure confirmed that planned meetings with
the districts and boroughs would address an improvement of the
process going forward.
- A Member asked for
assurances that engagement officers would have a good geographical
understanding of their area of responsibility. The Cabinet Member
for Transport and Infrastructure confirmed this would be the
case.
- A Member was
concerned that in dealing with ITS schemes through central funding
decision, some areas would miss out. The Cabinet Member for
Transport and Infrastructure explained that currently, not every
area received funding every year. The Committee was being asked to
support the development of the criteria to improve on the current
priority-based system.
- The Chairman noted
that the forum of a local committee would be powerless to assist
residents. The Cabinet Member for Transport and Infrastructure
reiterated that if the public wanted to submit petitions on
highways matters, they would still go through the County Council's
existing petition scheme. The petition would not be heard at the
local and joint committee but be directed to the relevant areas.
The Chairman pressed, notwithstanding the powers of the joint
committees over highways, would a resident be able to present a
petition to a local or joint committee on a highways matter. The
Cabinet Member for Transport and Infrastructure confirmed they
would not and that the proposal offered other forums for that
petition to be heard by the divisional councillor
upwards.
- Moving towards
conclusion, the Chairman noted that there were differing opinions
on the proposed recommendations in the draft Cabinet report and
proposed a vote to agree the Select Committee’s own
recommendations.
- The Chairman, in moving towards the Select
Committee’s recommendations asked Members to vote whether
they supported or opposed the recommendations contained in the
draft Cabinet report. Six Members voted for the recommendation in
the draft Cabinet report and four Members voted against, with one
abstention. Paul Deach, John
Furey, Jonathon Hulley, Cameron McIntosh, John O’Reilly,
Keith Witham voted for whereas Stephen Cooksey, Colin Cross, Andy
Macleod and Lance Spencer voted against. Catherine Baart abstained.
- The Chairman proposed a further vote to determine
whether to include an additional recommendation point suggested by
a Member regarding the distribution of Integrated Transport Scheme
(ITS) funds. This recommendation was
carried with six votes to two and three abstentions. Catherine
Baart, Paul Deach, Jonathon Hulley,
Cameron McIntosh, John O’Reilly and Keith Witham voted to
include the recommendation. Stephen Cooksey and Lance Spencer voted
against. Colin Cross, John Furey and
Andy Macleod abstained.
Resolved:
The Select Committee, in principle, support the
recommendations in the draft Cabinet report titled ‘Local and
Joint Committee (LC/JC) Highway Function’ subject to the
following areas being addressed:
i.
All references to Community Network
Approach (CNA) in the Cabinet report be removed. [Any future CNA
proposal needs to be fully developed first with a draft provided to
Members for their comments and feedback].
ii.
County wide Integrated Transport Scheme
(ITS) funding is apportioned using the same methodology used
previously which is a top slice of £100,000 to districts and
boroughs and then the remaining amount splits between the 81
members, for the transition year only.
iii.
An information sheet about how the
Community Infrastructure Levy (CIL) aspect will be incorporated
under the new arrangement be circulated to assist Members, or a
detailed report is brought to the Select Committee.
iv.
Asks residents continuing to have the
right to present petitions and questions to Joint Committees/Local
Committees on highways matters during the transition period even if
the other components (Members' allocations, parking reviews, etc.)
are taken out of their jurisdiction.
v.
Any new proposal must be accessible to
all – especially those with no digital/internet
access.