Witnesses:
- Matt Furniss, Cabinet Member for Transport, Infrastructure and
Growth
- Katie Stewart,
Executive Director for Environment Transport and
Infrastructure
- Lucy Monie, Director, Highways and Transport
- Paul Millin, Assistant Director, Strategic
Transport
Key
points raised during the discussion:
- The Chairman queried
the councils capital and revenue spending on buses in the financial
years 2022/23 and 2023/24. The Assistant Director, Strategic
Transportconfirmed that the revenue budget for 2022/23 was
£10.5 million and the budget for 2023/24 was £12.2
million adding that Cabinet had agreed budget and pipeline funding
at £49 million to support investment initiatives.
- The Chairman asked if
residents expect this financial commitment to bus services in
Surrey to continue. The Cabinet Member for Transport,
Infrastructure and Growthgave reassurances that bus services and
improvements to public transport were a priority for the
council.
- A Member queried the
lessons learnt from the Mole Valley Connect Scheme, Digital Demand
Responsive Transport (DDRT) pilot and asked if residents not
digitally aware would be deterred from using the service. The
Assistant Director, Strategic Transport confirmed that telephone
bookings would continue alongside online and app booking. Lessons
learnt included the understanding that school journeys could not be
provided as vehicles were tied up for significant parts of the day
resulting in a reduction in availability for residents and the
original electric vehicles could now longer cope with the daily
mileage, which has increased throughout the day due to greater
ridership, requiring their replacement.
- A Member asked if the
DDRT would be council run or commercially operated services. The
Assistant Director, Strategic Transportexplained that the DDRT
services would be going to tender in April for services to start in
September 2023, ideally with the aim of one or two contractors to
provide a range of DDRT services with the ability to combine high
levels of quality in delivery and control.
- A Member noted that
Stagecoach bus drivers had been advising users of the 17 and 520
bus services that the route would be cut from September 2023 and
sought reassurances that the council would provide clear
communications about the change of services to residents. The
Assistant Director, Strategic Transportcommitted to raise the issue
of drivers giving incorrect information with Stagecoach senior
managers and said that information about the proposed changes to
services would be provided to local Members, with an early briefing
planned post Cabinet.
- A Member said that
residents needed a clear explanation of the DDRT service. The
Assistant Director, Strategic Transportagreed and noted that as
demand increased going forward, the service may evolve to a corner
to corner service, rather than a home to destination service to
improve service efficiency.
- A Member asked how
the five areas of priority noted in paragraph 21 of the report had
been identified and what were the improvements planned in these
areas and their timescales. The Assistant Director, Strategic
Transport explained that the five areas
had been identified by considering where passenger growth could be
maximised as referenced in the National Bus Strategy published in
March 2020. The Member queried if the consultation had
reaffirmed the five areas of priority. The Assistant Director,
Strategic Transportconfirmed that 70 per cent of residents agreed
with the investment in the priority areas.
- A Member asked what
proportion of the revenue and capital expenditures over the next
two years would be spent on DDRT services as opposed to normal bus
services. The Assistant Director, Strategic Transportsaid that
approximately £700,000 would be spent on the cost of DDRT
services in a full financial year.
- A Member asked if
there was a charge for DDRT. PM confirmed the charge was currently
£2.
- A Member questioned
how services provided by the Council related to district and
borough services such as Woking Bustler. The Assistant Director,
Strategic Transportsaid that the Council had an excellent working
relationship with Woking Bustler and plans were underway to work
more closely and invest with them to grow their business and
provide additional opportunities to both parties going
forward.
- A Member asked if the
reduction of services noted in Annex E of the report were likely to
be reconsidered and if not, what were the mitigations around these
measures. The Assistant Director, Strategic Transportsaid that not
all the routes would result in service withdrawals and explained
that plans to refine 11 of the 24 poorly performing services shared
to the public consultation were required due to the financial
implications of low patronage. The Assistant Director, Strategic
Transport noted the commitment to work with residents affected by
the changes through Members, district and boroughs, parishes and
town councils to promote alternatives such as affiliated and
non-affiliated voluntary car schemes. The Chairman was concerned
that the areas in question were key neighbourhoods in areas of
deprivation in Surrey. A Member urged that additional mitigations
be put in place to ensure that no one is left behind. The Assistant
Director, Strategic Transport undertook to reconsider the 11
services proposed. (Action: Assistant Director, Strategic
Transport)
- A Member noted
concerns about the Tattenham Corner
school bus service cessation. The Assistant Director, Strategic
Transportexplained that the company operating the Tattenham Corner and Preston school bus services
commercially had said that the services were no longer commercially
viable. As a result, another operator had been persuaded to pick up
one of the services and the second service was going to
tender.
- A Member asked what
the financial savings of would be implementing the changes. The
Assistant Director, Strategic Transportsaid that there would be no savings as
anyadditional money input would cover tender
increases.
- A Member asked if the
council could run its own service. The Assistant Director,
Strategic Transportsaid that this would be a huge undertaking and
it was unlikely that the council could achieve a more efficient or
cost effective service with requirements for a suitable depot and
the purchasing of vehicles to be considered.
- A Member asked if the
changes happening to services would be promoted on buses. The
Assistant Director, Strategic Transportconfirmed that briefings
regarding the changes would be provided to all Members going
forward.
- A Member questioned
if the negative impact to those with disabilities would be analysed
further. The Assistant Director, Strategic Transportacknowledged
the obligation to consider residents with disabilities and noted
the East Surrey Rural Transport Partnership and the Woking Bustler
service as examples of the provision of different services for
those unable to access public transport and committed to look again
at the 11 service areas in relation to the negative impact on
residents with disabilities. The Member asked if residents with
disabilities would be consulted. The Assistant Director, Strategic
Transport said that organisations such as Sight for Surrey and the
Surrey Coalition of Disabled People had been consulted and were
aware of the proposals. The Member asked if information could be
provided to confirm the date of the consultation with Sight for
Surrey. The Assistant Director, Strategic Transport agreed to
provide the information directly to the Member. (Action:
Assistant Director, Strategic Transport)
- A Member asked how
much the council would be involved in promoting the
‘20 and Under Half Fare Concessionary
Scheme’. The Assistant Director,
Strategic Transport said that the council would share the news
through social media channels and the communication plan for this
was being developed. The Cabinet Member for Transport,
Infrastructure and Growth added that the Surrey Youth Cabinet had
provided positive feedback about the DDRT and the concessionary
scheme. The Member asked if feedback could be provided to the
committee regarding the success of the DDRT and
‘20 and Under Half Fare Concessionary
Scheme’ at an appropriate time. The
Cabinet Member for Transport, Infrastructure and Growthagreed to
provide the committee with an update.
- A Member queried if
the Department for Transport (DfT) would require the DDRT service
to be financially sustainable. The Assistant Director, Strategic
Transportsaid that the council would report back to the DfT,
including a refreshed Bus Service Improvement Plan, with the DDRT
included as a registered local bus service.
- A Member asked what
the vision for bus services in the future was. The Assistant
Director, Strategic Transportnoted zero missions and a successful
‘20 and Under Half Fare Concessionary
Scheme’ leading to more residents using
public transport.
Resolved:
The
Communities, Environment and Highways Select Committee:
- Welcomes the proposed
increased investment to stimulate passenger figures in a number of
areas and particularly supports the new ‘20 and Under Half
Fare Concessionary Scheme’.
- Endorses the roll-out
of new Digital Demand Responsive Transport (DDRT) services to new
areas, but with an expectation that this be accompanied by
effective and timely communications to residents affected who may
be less digitally aware.
- Is concerned at the
findings of Bus Service Improvement Programme Route Analysis (Annex
E of the report) that seven very underprivileged areas – Key
Neighbourhoods – will be severely affected by these changes,
which runs counter to Surrey’s declared ‘No one left
behind’ ambitions. The Committee urges consideration of
effective mitigation measures.