Witnesses:
Katie
Sargent, Greener Futures Group Manager, Environment Transport &
Infrastructure Directorate
Carolyn
McKenzie, Director of Environment
Katie
Stewart, Executive Director for Environment Transport and
Infrastructure
Marissa
heath, Cabinet Member for Environment (online)
Key points made during the discussion:
- The
Cabinet Member for Environment introduced the strategy. The aim was to achieve cost neutrality in
financing Net Zero carbon targets. Substantial capital and risk
were involved. The Cabinet Member highlighted dependencies on
national infrastructure and grid connections and on government
policy and support. Renewable investment initiatives were being
explored to generate income including through power purchase and
solar farms. The Cabinet Member
expressed interest in doing more with businesses and on a
joint-finance approach with Boroughs and Districts and highlighted
the risks associated with off-setting. Continued input from the
Select Committee was welcome. The
Cabinet Member proposed reviewing the financial strategy with the
Committee and Greener Futures Reference Group on an annual
basis.
- The
Chairman asked the Greener Futures Group Manager what the key
changes were between this and the original 2021 finance strategy
and accompanying model. The Manager explained that the latest model
included more accurate costs and assumptions as opposed to
estimates. There was now much more confidence in the figures shared
and the planning that followed. On the 2030 net zero target the
Manager insisted that it was achievable and that costs could be
covered with energy savings. The Executive Director for Environment
Transport and Infrastructure warned that the council’s plans
were dependent on government policy and technology. One of the benefits of the proposed financial
model was that it allowed for a dynamic response to the changing
landscape.
Net Zero 2030 Programme
- A
Member asked which strand of the 2030 capital programme of
retrofit, refurbishment & renewable presented the greatest risk
and queried what was being done to address the 99.3% of carbon
emissions created by non-Council facilities. The Greener Futures
Group Manager explained that the biggest risk was delays with the
National Grid that meant viable solar farm sites might not be
launched until 2035. The department was exploring other avenues to
acquire working solar sites with grid connections already in place.
The Manager outlined the process for annual update of the Climate
Change Delivery Plan and review of progress against the 2030 and
2050 targets. This would come to the Committee and Cabinet in the
autumn.
- A
Member asked to what extent the risk to delivery from a capacity
skills shortage had been assessed and factored into plans. The
Greener Futures Group Manager said procuring skilled workers has
been an issue in the past, but that successful procurement rounds
had built confidence. Close working with colleagues in Procurement
and Land and Property were important.
- A
Member asked if the decarbonisation delivery rate of 13 to 20
buildings per year was achievable. The Greener Futures Group
Manager explained that this programme was slow to start but that a
robust team was now in place and the pace was stepping
up. The new Facilities Management
provider would play a critical role. The Member asked about carbon
banking from private wire energy supply. The Manager noted that
where electricity was sold to a private off taker say from a solar
farm, this would count towards reducing their carbon not that of
the Council. Carbon produced from virtual sleeving where
electricity is sold to the grid and taken off the balance of
electricity being provided could be banked.
- A
Member asked about decarbonisation of Flex buildings and whether
there was a potential to generate more income from these. The
Manager explained that Flexbuildings were those with an uncertain
future. Land & Property were conducting an asset strategy
review, due to complete by 2025. This would clarify the status of
various assets including which should be retained or sold. In the
meantime, decarbonisations costs for both Flex and Core & Flex
buildings needed to be assessed. Carbon offsetting would be
required for any Flex properties retained by the Council in 2030
without decarbonisation investment.
- A
Member expressed concern over national energy supply and the need
for more generating capacity in the UK and wondered if
consideration of high-level risks had been built into plans.
Potential future developments for a hydrogen economy were flagged
as was the need to maintain close links to central government as
thinking on this developed. The
Director of Environment emphasised the importance of a mixed
approach to mitigate risks including through projects such as
rooftop solar which didn’t rely on changes in government
policy. She explained that lobbying took place on a regular basis
at all levels. The Council was starting to look at hydrogen for
buses and waste vehicles but there is more to be done to plug into
strategic conversations about long term hydrogen plans.
- A
Member asked for an explanation around rising Capex costs under the
2030 finance model. The Greener Futures Group Manager explained
that the jump in capital costs reflected the robustness of the new
finance model which was more thorough and included all the costs
involved including for example associated connection costs which
can be significant. One building can cost in the region of
£100,000 to connect to the grid. The Director of Environment
explained the process for annual and quarterly reviews and for
inputting real, as opposed to anticipated costs into the model to
create a more accurate picture.
- A
Member noted that fleet transition costs were being funded by the
service rather than the central Greener Futures budget and queried
how to embed decarbonisation costs into other services. The Greener
Futures Group Manager explained that electric infrastructure costs
remained in the Greener Futures budget but that costs for replacing
individual vehicles should be considered on a local basis by the
relevant service area. A fleet strategy was being developed. This
would cover decarbonisation of the Council’s fleet and
provide guidance and support. The Manager noted the other key areas
of emissions addressed by the 2030 strategy were LED streetlight
replacement and corporate estate emissions and that it made sense
for these to be dealt with in their own budget areas.
- A
Member asked if there were any solar farms being launched in the
next couple of years and whether Solar Power Purchase Agreements
(PPA) or solar panels on Council buildings could make up for a lack
of ground based solar. The Manager noted frustrations with solar
farms: sites had been identified but couldn’t be connected to
the grid. A range of other opportunities were being explored,
including maximising solar on rooftops. The directorate hoped to
have a much clearer idea of solar potential within the next 6
months. The manager stated that schools
would be the first target for PPAs. Although they fall outside of
the Council estate, they form part of Surrey’s indirect
emissions. There was a huge appetite from schools for PPA to reduce
energy costs. Pilots were being run and
a business case developed for Select Committee and Cabinet. The
Director of Environment noted that in addition to schools, there
was potential to work with the NHS to install solar on its Surrey
estate. Initial conversations had taken place.
- The
Chairman noted that the report set out a range of options for
consideration and asked for an explanation of the difference
between option three and four. The Director of Environment
explained that option four set out a more proactive approach to
generating income to offset costs. On option two, a Member
expressed concern over the viability of buying carbon off-set
credits as an alternative to carbon reduction projects. The
Director noted that a small amount of offsetting was required in
all scenarios. This would be delivered
where possible via the County’s nature recovery strategy
through habitat creation, tree planting and re-wetting of
heathlands to bring positive benefits to Surrey residents.
Reassurance was given that offsetting remained a last resort and
that only good quality offsets would be used. The Director
explained that option two had been included for completeness but
was not the recommended approach.
- A
Member queried if the service had the resources it needed to
maximise income. The Executive Director for Environment Transport
and Infrastructure stated that the service had received immense
support from their Cabinet Member and had the resources needed for
now but stressed that this must evolve as needs changed. It was
important to continue to grow the agenda and to bring in the
necessary resource and expertise to match.
Net Zero 2050 Programme
- The
Chairman asked about the state of engagement with stakeholders to
deliver the programme. The Greener Futures Group Manager noted the
overlap between two of the Council’s strategic priorities:
greener futures and growing a sustainable economy and
highlighted joint working on the green skills agenda and growing
green jobs. Work was underway to ensure green skills are embedded
in the Surrey Skills Plan and within local skills improvement plans
to deliver growth of the green economy. A holistic green business
support package was being developed for SMEs covering how to
measure carbon footprint and what financial support is available
(e.g. the Green Grant programme).
- A
Member asked what steps were being taken to develop a countywide
communications and engagement strategy to raise awareness, support
and buy in for low-carbon measures. The Executive Director for
Environment Transport and Infrastructure noted that the Deputy
Cabinet Member for Environment was leading on this work. A Greener
Futures Engagement Strategy had been produced. Colleagues in the
Communities team and volunteers from Surrey Climate Commission and
Zero Carbon Guildford were being trained to deliver unified
messages to residents and to encourage uptake. A parish council
climate change training course had been developed and piloted and a
network set up for all elected members (county level down to parish
level). This would be used to disseminate green messages and raise
awareness of developments and opportunities around grant
funding.
- The
Executive Director agreed with the Member that different modes of
communication were vital in getting buy in from residents. A Member
noted that 40% of Surrey residents over 60 did not use the internet
and communication must be tailored to tackle this. The benefits of
simple printed literature for dissemination by councillors and
local associations was emphasised. The Director of Environment
agreed and noted that different methods would be considered to
reach all residents including use of ‘trusted’
community groups as intermediaries to disseminate
messages.
- A
Member asked if the indirect emissions which make up 85% of the
Council’s emissions were addressed in the 2050 programme. The
Director of Environment explained that a detailed 2050 finance
model was still being developed and would be bought to the
committee in due course. An update on the Council’s indirect
emissions would be provided as part of the Climate Change update
coming to the Committee later in the year. The Greener Futures
Group Manager noted the difficulties in quantifying indirect
emissions from schools and supply chains.
- A
Member expressed concern over communications to Council, Borough
and District members and suggested a membership development session
was needed on how the various Greener Futures boards and groups
relate to one another. It was unclear
how it all fit together in terms of governance and communications.
The Executive Director for Environment Transport and Infrastructure
acknowledged the problem and agreed to investigate.
- The
Committee discussed the draft recommendations and agreed and
approved of option four.
Break at 11:55 for 14 minutes. Meeting resumed at
12:09 pm.
Rebecca Jennings-Evans left at 12:00 pm.
The Communities, Environment and Highways Select
Committee
- Endorses the approach set out in the updated Greener Futures
Finance Strategy including continued focus and commitment to the
County Council’s organisational target to become net zero by
2030 and preparations to deliver the 2050 target.
- Fully supports the commitment to ensuring financial risk to the
Council is effectively identified and managed and the processes
outlined for achieving this, in particular the annual 2 step review
process which focuses on effective management of financial risk;
and approves the recommendation for the Council to adopt option 4
to proactively generate income to offset costs.
- Recommends that the Council achievements to
date towards the net zero 2030 target be publicised to Surrey
Members at all tiers by the end of August 2023.
- Welcomes the review of effective
communications and steps to improve engagement with residents on
Net Zero; and urges consideration of online and offline
communications, as well as opportunities to use Councilors to
disseminate messages locally.
- Requests an update to the Committee on
progress in early 2024 including on the Communications &
Engagement Strategy.
Actions and requests for
information:
- The
Vice-Chairman asked ETI Directorate to organise a Membership
Development Session on the democratic landscape around Net Zero and
Greener Futures including how all the Boards relate to each other
and decision-making comes together.