Witnesses:
Lisa
Townsend, The Police and Crime Commissioner for Surrey
Key points
raised during the discussion:
- The
Commissioner provided a brief overview of the progress on the
police and crime plan.
- A
Member questioned how the Commissioner would rate the Police and
Crime Plan’s five objectives on a RAG scale. The Member also
asked which, out of the five objectives, was the most challenging.
The Commissioner stated that although the RAG scale has its place,
it would not be helpful to use it in this instance. On the second
point, the Commissioner noted that shoplifting had become a
particular challenge with its rise nationally but that a robust
plan was in place to tackle the issue.
The Commissioner was particularly proud of the work that had been
achieved on VAWG, Road Safety (via the Vanguard Team) and in
providing comprehensive transparency to the public via the
datahub.
- A
Member asked how the Commissioner would ensure that any learning or
success from the safer streets project was applied across the
county. What plans were there for “levelling up” across
the rest of Surrey and beyond the towns selected. The Commissioner
explained that criteria set by the Home Office for Safer Streets
funding had been very specific, which limited those areas which
could receive it. However, all work was
overseen via standard reporting mechanisms which ensured oversight
of delivery and successes and that the community safety lead worked
closely with all the community safety partnerships to ensure
learning is shared.
REDUCING VIOELNCE AGAINST WOMEN AND GIRLS IN
SURREY
- A
Member noted that convictions for sexual violence in Surrey and the
wider UK are extremely low and questioned the OPCC’s role in
implementing Operation Soteria. The Commissioner underlined that
the OPCC was the main funder of local support services for victims
of crimes such as rape, sexual abuse and stalking offences, and had
a close relationship with the force working on violence against
women and girls to ensure effective implementation of Op Soteria.
This involved ensuring that Surrey Police works closely with local
services and that the right conversations are taking place. The
Commissioner stated her determination to drive up convictions for
violence against women and girls but also acknowledged that not
every victim wants a criminal justice outcome. It was important
that the force remained victim-led. The Head of Performance and
Governance explained that Surrey has a good relationship with local
providers and a number of third sector organisations are co-located
within police teams which helps improve the force’s
knowledge, skills and understanding around the needs of
victims.
- A
Member questioned whether the objective of reducing violence
against women and girls was being met. The metrics provided
suggested that the number of violent domestic abuse and serious
sexual assault cases were higher than two years ago, while solved
rates were unchanged for violent domestic abuse and significantly
lower for serious sexual assaults. The Commissioner explained that
the rolling 12-month average for serious sexual offence cases was
down from 2,130 a year ago to 2,006, but cases of domestic violence
were up. Domestic abuse and sexual offences tended to be
underreported so the focus was on encouraging victims to come
forward. An uptick in reporting was to
be welcomed. The Commissioner also highlighted that the 12-month
rolling graphs used a non-zero baseline which meant a small
fluctuation in numbers could seem exaggerated.
- A
Member asked how the perception of safety after dark for female
respondents was surveyed and questioned what safeguards were in
place to ensure that the trend data was reliable. The Commissioner
explained that the data was pulled from the joint neighbourhood
survey, a telephone survey carried out by market research
specialist. The Head of Performance and Governance explained that
thew aim was to survey 6,000 residents per year and offered to
share the methodology.
Action iv:
OPCC to share methodology for ‘Safety after Dark
survey’.
PROTECTING PEOPLE FROM HARM IN SURREY
- A
Member asked how long it will be for the ‘Right Care Right
Person model’ to take effect and when there would be a drop
in the burden on Surrey Police. The Commissioner stated that it
would take time but that the partnership agreement was signed
earlier in the summer and a national toolkit had been developed by
the National Police Chief’s Council. The purpose of the new
partnership agreement was to ensure all parties were clear how to
work together to deliver the right services or response in the
right way. The Commissioner stressed that that Police would not
stop attending incidents where there was a crime or a threat to
life. The national framework has four phases; getting response
right around concern for welfare; walkouts from health care
facilities; transportation of patients; and addressing Section
one-six of the Mental Health Act. The Commissioner explained the
aim to implement these phases by June 2024. After the first week of
implementation the Met saw a 13% reduction in the burden on
policing from mental health related incidents. A similar reduction
was hoped for in Surrey.
- A
Member questioned why serious violence, crime and knife crime are
not being reported on as metrics under the priority of
‘Protecting people from harm in Surrey’. The
Commissioner expressed that the data chosen was a collection of
measures to help convey the progress that had been
made. If there was more specific data
the panel wanted to look at, this could be provided. A Member queried if there was a way to align the
data so that what appears on the data hub is consistent with what
is being reported by the Chief Constable. The Head of Performance
and Governance explained that the data hub predominately uses force
data. Work was underway to develop new force metrics reflecting the
Chief Constable’s new vision and priorities.
- A
Member referred to the downward trajectory of overall victim
satisfaction, with 55% of victims satisfied with Surrey Police,
down from 65% in July 2022. The Member asked if there was concern
that the objective of protecting people from harm was therefore not
being met. The Commissioner underlined that victim satisfaction
varied across different crime types. The Commissioner conveyed that
for quarter one for 2023/24, hate crime victim satisfaction was
77.8% and for residential burglary it was 82.8%. The Commissioner
expressed that most people’s experience in initial contact
with the force was positive, but there had been an overall decline
in satisfaction levels, and there are specific areas where
attention was needed. The Commissioner underlined the two key areas
of focus: actions taken – what happens to
victims after the initial call and keeping the victims
informed with regular updates through their cases and
managing expectations. Better communication with the public was an
issue consistently raised at the community events. A dedicated
discussion between the Commissioner and Chief Constable was planned
for the new year. The Panel would be
updated.
- A
Member questioned what services had been put in place to protect
vulnerable and older people from fraud and cybercrime and whether
the OPCC was satisfied that cyber-crime prevention was adequately
addressed in everyday policing. The Commissioner outlined the joint
Surrey/Sussex Police Operation aimed at protecting vulnerable
people from fraud. Op Signature was considered best practice and
the gold standard nationally. Fraud and cybercrime had become more
complex and deceptive, especially with the use of A.I. Two
vulnerable victim fraud case workers, funded by the OPCC, were now
embedded within the victim and witness care unit and provided
secondary visits and ongoing safeguarding to those at medium/high
risk. The Commissioner highlighted the rise of romance fraud which
cost the County £2m in the last year. Most of the victims are
originally approached via dating apps, Facebook and
WhatsApp.
- The
Member queried if there was sufficient digital forensics
investigation capability or if Surrey Police was reliant on
Metropolitan Police capability. The Head of Governance and
Performance referenced a HMICFRS report looking specifically at
this issue. Surrey was not in a bad
place. The report would be circulated
to the Panel.
Action v:
OPCC/Scrutiny Officer to circulate a HMICFRS report on Surrey
Police’s digital forensics with the Panel.
WORKING WITH SURREY COMMUNITIES SO THEY FEEL
SAFE
- A
Member stated that crime volumes for residential burglary, serious
violence, knife crime and violent crime were higher than two years
ago and questioned whether the objective of working with Surrey
communities so they feel safe, was being met. The Commissioner
explained that there had been a return to historical trends pre
covid which has skewed figures. The
non-zero baseline used in the graphs made the fluctuations seem
bigger than they were. Residential burglary crime was 2,732 this
year compared to 2,737 last year.
- A
Member asked about the anti-social behaviour action plan. The
Commissioner explained that the new method for collecting ASB data
covered all incidents of anti-social behaviour (ASB), including
those where there was no police involvement. The drop in victim satisfaction for ASB does not
therefore reflect on police performance however it does, underline
that there is a problem. The Commissioner explained that steps had
been taken including funding for a dedicated service for people
experiencing ASB. OPCC continues to
support and play a vital role in the ASB case review process and is
engaging with the ministry of justice to ensure that victims of
persistent ASB are recognised in the upcoming Victims and Prisoners
bill. The Commissioner clarified that although OPCC is not part of
the immediate ‘hotspot’ policing trials, the intention
is for the model to be rolled out in 2024. The Chief Constable has a renewed focus on ASB and
this has been a key topic in recent policing your community
events. The Commissioner highlighted 101 and digital methods for
reporting anti-social behaviour where a police response is
required.
- A
Member raised a question on PCSO visibility, their community
engagement and how it can be improved. The Commissioner highlighted
the value of PCSOs and stated there are more PCSOs coming in, but
that the Force is struggling to recruit.
- A
Member queried what progress had been made to support
Surrey’s retail and business community and asked for
clarification on how to assess the business sector’s level of
confidence in Surrey policing in the absence of a metric. The
Commissioner explained that the Chief Constable had made retail
crime a priority. The Head of Performance and Governance expressed
that retail crime was recorded by the force, but that retail
employees did not always feel that it was worth reporting, which
was a potential issue. The Member questioned if there was a metric
that could be used to show where retail/business crime had involved
violence against an employee. The Head of Performance and
Governance offered to speak to the head of the data-warehouse to
look it.
Action vi: OPCC to feed request for violent retail
crime metric into part of the wider work to develop new metrics for
the Chief Constable’s force strategy.
STRENGTHENING RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN SURREY POLICE AND
RESIDENTS
16. A
Member referenced the Grade 1 response compliance in the report and
questioned why it had suffered a drop since last year with only 41%
of priority calls receiving a police response within 15 minutes
(September 2023). The Member also questioned what steps had been
taken to ensure that the drop in service is quickly addressed. The
Commissioner explained that response had been a challenge. The aim
was to attend at least 90% of Grade 1 incidents within 15 minutes
but the average response time was 16 minutes. The Commissioner
explained that there had been a 39% increase in Grade 1 incidents
which had outstripped their capabilities. The Commissioner asserted
confidence that performance could be pulled back in the right
direction. The biggest new joiner
cohort was currently going through training and their first
allocation would be with response teams. Additionally, the
‘Right Care Right Person’ project would have an
impact.
17. The
Member also questioned the similar situation with 999 call
performance with only 80% of calls answered within 10 seconds
(September), against a national target of 90%, and asked if this
was a training issue. The Commissioner explained that again there
has been more demand and not enough resource to support it with 999
calls increasing nationally by 5% and by 15% in Surrey. The contact centre had hit establishment figures
but there was a capability lag.
18. A
Member asked whether Surrey County Council’s abolishment of
the Joint and Local committees has made it harder to provide local
engagement on road safety issues and meet public expectations. The
Commissioner highlighted the challenge in Surrey and for the nation
where 7 people per day die on the roads. A lot of good work was
being done to address this including via ‘Surrey Road
Safe’, embedding the Roadsafe system and improving road
safety around HGV lorries.
19. The
Chairman raised a question over public confidence in Surrey Police
which was significantly lower than two years ago (down from 85-
81%). He asked whether this reflected a
problem with Surrey Police’s relationships with residents or
national concerns, particularly around trust in the Met police. The
Commissioner said it was difficult to disentangle concerns around
the Metropolitan police force and dissatisfaction with the wider
criminal justice system which could spill over into dissatisfaction
with Surrey police. The Commissioner expressed determination to
improve public confidence in policing in Surrey.
ENSURING
SAFE SURREY ROADS
20. A Member questioned if there were
plans to host more live showings of Safe Drive Stay Alive.
The Commissioner explained that Surrey Fire and Rescue undertook a
review of this project, looking into its short and long-term
impact, the decision was to move away from the scheme.
Conversations were happening to find an alternative but there are
no planned events right now. The Commissioner reassured the panel
that the money the OPCC received would be spent on other relevant
schemes such as the ‘Drive Fit’ campaign.
21. A
Member queried table 7.10 from the report which suggested that
numbers of people killed or seriously injured were consistently
higher than 2 years ago, and asked if the Commissioner would accept
that the objective of ensuring safer Surrey roads was not being
met. The Commissioner stated that Covid has skewed
figures. The latest figures from
the rolling 12-month volume for August 2023 for those killed and
seriously injured on roads, was 661 which was down from 771 from
the previous year. This suggested the objective was being met, but
there was still a long way to go.
22. The
Member asked for more information on Operation Tramline. The
Commissioner stated that this operation had been
successful. The scheme would replace
Safe Drive Stay Alive, but there is a lot of work to do.
RESOLVED:
I.
The Surrey Police and Crime Panel applauds the
achievements of the OPCC as set out in the report including
securing additional Safer Streets funding to tackle crime and
anti-social behaviour, plus £2 million in funding for a new
Domestic Abuse Hub in Surrey. Both will make a real difference to
Surrey residents. However, we note with some concern the drop in
Grade 1 response compliance. The Surrey PCP recommends that the Commissioner
prioritises resolution of this issue working with the Chief
Constable and that the issue of Grade 1 response compliance remains
on the agenda of forthcoming Performance meetings until such a time
as there is a marked and sustained improvement in
performance.
II.
The Surrey Police and Crime Panel notes that the
focus of the Report is on highlighting activities of the OPCC but
questions whether the public may wish to see a more balanced
assessment of progress against Police & Crime Plan
priorities. The Surrey PCP recommends that the next Police and Crime Plan
update (due April 2024) more directly addresses the priority areas
of concern raised by residents (as reflected in
community events) in addition to reporting on the successes of the
OPCC.
Cllr Nick Prescot and Mr Martin Stilwell left at 11.59
am.
Cllr Nick Prescot and Mr Martin Stilwell returned at 12.03
pm.