Witnesses:
Lisa
Townsend, Surrey Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC)
Kelvin Menon, Chief Finance Officer, and Treasurer
(OPCC)
Key points
raised during the discussion:
- A
Member asked if there had been any change to the assessed risk of
Surrey issuing a section 114. The Chief Finance Officer explained
that the risk was low for Surrey Police. The Force would have to
make significant savings, which would be achievable when compared
with the overall budget, but it might result in operational
impacts.
- A
Member asked where the majority of the £1.9 million overspend
in overtime, which offset the projected underspend in staff
salaries (£1.7 million), was occurring and if the OPCC was
expecting this trend to continue in 2024/25. The Chief Finance
Officer explained that it was a challenge for the Force. Overtime
had risen both for police staff and police officers. For officers
it was in areas such as specialist crime, firearms officers, and
custody officers, who had supported Operation Safeguard. For Staff,
the largest element of overtime was in contact services, due to
vacancies. The overtime in contact was expected to reduce because
the team was now over establishment. Police officer overtime was
expected to continue as those officers had specialist skills and
there were shortages in investigative officers and detectives. The
Deputy Chief Constable chairs an overtime working group looking at
ways to reduce overtime, taking into account the cost and wellbeing
of officers.
- A
member asked if answers could be provided to written questions
submitted in the context of the Panel’s Finance Sub-group.
Regarding revenue generation, the member asked what accounted for
the largest element of unexpected income. The Chief Finance Officer
explained it was Operation Safeguard, which involved prisoners
being put in custody facilities after sentencing before being moved
to a prison because of prison overcrowding. Operation safeguard had
now ended. A further £0.7 million was income for seconding
officers to regional units and around £0.5 million was income
was to do with interest rates being higher than anticipated and the
sale of vehicles.
Action iv:
The Chief Finance Officer to provide answers to questions provided
from a member of panel and finance sub-group.
- The
Member asked for confirmation that while the headline underspend
was £1.1 million, the actual underspend was £3.2
million because reserves that were expected to be used were not.
The Chief Finance Officer explained that the Force had managed to
deliver some of the efficiencies, that were to be due in 2024/25,
earlier. This meant the Force had not needed to use all the cost of
change reserve as originally anticipated. This reduction in use of
the reserves was a one-off benefit as the money would be put be
used for further transformation and cost of change activities to
drive savings for future years. The Member asked how much of the
income received was budgeted for and if any provision was made for
mutual aid. The Chief Finance Officer explained that there was
provision £19m in the budget for grants and
income.
- A
member asked if the overachievement in the Force’s savings
target for 2023/24 was the early results of the transformation and
change programme.The Chief Finance Officer explained that some of
the savings were to do with the change programme, such as the
restructure of people services and changes to shift patterns. Some
of the savings had come through the renegotiation of contracts,
such as software licenses and Operation Polar Bear, which was to do
with reducing energy in facilities. Therefore, there were several
initiatives that drove the underspend, and those savings would be
carried forward into 2024/25.
- A
Member asked about the requirement for capital to fund productivity
improvements and net zero in the future, and if it would be done
through external borrowing. The Chief Finance Officer explained
that the government did not provide any capital funding to Forces.
There was a campaign by the National Police Chief’s Council
(NPCC) and the Association of Police and Crime Commissioners (APCC)
to address this. The Force would try to fund some capital costs out
of revenue. Where there was a clear
business case for investing to save (e.g. through solar) the Force
could potentially borrow to finance it. However, the amount of
funding the Force would need to meet the net zero target, for
example through introducing electric vehicles, would be substantial
and so this would need to be addressed by government at a national
level.
Resolved:
The
committee noted the report.