Witnesses:
Emma Boswell, Director
for Partnerships and Engagement
Cain Thomas, Interim
Programme Director
Key points
raised in the discussion:
- A Substitute Member
asked if Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust felt enough was being
done with engagement, given the survey conducted received 3,399
responses but Frimley HealthNHS Foundation
Trust had a customer base of around half a million. The Director of
Partnerships and Engagement responded that there could never be
enough engagement achieved but Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust
would always strive to do more. The engagement completed so far was
at the beginning of the new hospital’s journey, with many
lessons to learn from it and plans were in place to improve.
Partners were relied on in terms of sharing information as well as
using Frimley Health’s own networks.
- The Substitute Member
suggested that Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust needed to do
more to make residents feel their views were important. The
Substitute Member also referenced from the report that only 25% of
responses from the engagement was from Frimley Health’s staff
and asked what Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust was going to do
further to improve on this. The Director for Partnerships and
Engagement said there were several different ways Frimley
HealthNHS Foundation Trust engaged with
staff, one of which was through the online survey. There were two
all staff events, attended by over 600 staff members. The new
hospital programme team engaged with staff through existing
meetings within Frimley Health NHS Foundation
Trust and in other ways. This engagement was continuing. There was
an engagement plan, that would be refreshed considering the
outcomes of the early engagement so far. The Interim Programme
Director added that the feedback of the surveys undertaken was
contributing to the selection criteria and considered when
reviewing sites for the new hospital.
- A Member asked how
ethnic minority groups with cultural/language barriers were being
addressed in Frimley Health’s engagement. The Director for
Partnerships and Engagement explained that Frimley
HealthNHS Foundation Trust was committed to
engaging with all sections of the community with reducing health
inequalities being a core ambition. Frimley Health NHS Foundation
Trust had good examples of working with local community groups,
faith leaders, the voluntary sector and interpretation services to
ensure ethnic minority communities could engage with Frimley
Health’s work. However, this had not come through in the
work. Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust would revisit these
communities to ensure elements of best practice were built
on.
- The Member also asked
what questions were asked in Frimley Health’s public
consultation process. The Director for Partnerships and Engagement
explained this would be checked and a response would be provided to
the Committee.
- A Member asked
Frimley Health to elaborate further on the consultation process.
The Director for Partnerships and Engagement explained it was
imperative for Frimley HealthNHS Foundation
Trust to offer a broad range of opportunities to engage in the work
and recognise the different needs of the communities. Engaging with
communities, conducting face-to-face sessions, and offering access
to virtual sessions and surveys mattered in achieving this. The
hospital’s strong partnerships and networks would be used to
ensure different communities were reached.
- The Member referred
to the new hospital public engagement report where the survey found
that 1% of people felt a site where the owner had an appetite to
sell was important in choosing a site for the new hospital. The
Member felt this was not a good option to consider, as the owner
may not choose to sell. The Director of Partnerships and Engagement
agreed but explained it was important to engage with local
communities to ensure what people thought was important was not
missed. Useful information was received from the survey about what
people thought mattered. Some things would not be relevant because
of the systems and processes Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust
would need to undertake.
- The Member asked if
Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust had a programme in place for
the various stages before building the new hospital, such as the
site selection, design, planning permission and putting contractors
in place. The Interim Programme Director explained that progress
had been made in the last few months to applying a hurdle criterion
to a list of possible sites to establish the viability and
non-viability as Frimley HealthNHS Foundation
Trust moved from priority sites to preferred sites. The programme
was challenging but Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust was working
with experts, consultants, and the national New Hospital Programme
(NHP). There were assurances and a piece of work to understand the
programme and how, with modern construction methods and technology,
the project could be delivered by 2030. There was also a detailed
risk register and mitigation plan for any potential
challenges.
- The Member raised a
concern regarding the lack of importance given to bus transport in
Frimley Health’s engagement. The Interim programme Director
referred to the progress that had been made in transport
assessments, such as the transport modelling to the existing
hospital to understand where patients and visitors travel from.
These metrics had been applied to the sites currently being looked
at. There was understanding of the public transport network on the
sites being reviewed, and what was needed to improve it, to
replicate and improve public transport facilities.
- The Chairman asked
what consideration Frimley HealthNHS
Foundation Trust had given to how the NHS and medicine was
transforming, and what was being done to ensure the new hospital
was future proofed. The Director of Partnerships and Engagement
explained that there was a unique opportunity to transform health
services for local communities. This could be done by working with
partners and the systems approach, thinking about the direction of
travel around modern services, care closer to home, and using
technology and digital solutions to improve services. Keeping agile
and having a site that had expansion potential was also being
considered. Engaging with subject matter experts and thinking about
how Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust designs the clinical
service model also needed to be considered. The Interim Programme
Director added that the new hospital would need to have the ability
to expand which was being considered so there would be suitable
future provision. This would be done sensitively and in line with
developing clinical strategy, with consideration of the locality
and local population.
- A Substitute Member
asked what Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust was going to do to
make things better for residents in the interim period, such as
with parking and traffic around the hospital. The Director of
Partnerships and Engagement noted the importance of working with
partners to ensure only people required to go to the hospital site
attend, and that care services could be provided from other
locations using modern technology, but there would be issues with
congestion in the interim period. The Interim Programme Director
explained that opportunities to phase the delivery of the new
hospital were being reviewed in terms of sequentially moving out
services when the new facility would be ready. The expectation
would be to ease the traffic congestion, but this would be towards
the end of the project. The infrastructure upgrades were being
reviewed sensitively and work would be done with the local
authority and stakeholders to ensure the necessary infrastructure
upgrades were accessible, improved, and deliverable.
- A Member asked if
Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust was still confident that the
current hospital site would be sustainable up until the new
hospitals 2030 deadline. The Director of Partnerships and
Engagement explained that the risk mitigation plans that were put
in place to ensure the safety of the site up until 2030 was
addressed at the December 2023 Select Committee meeting. The
Interim Programme Director added that work was continuing with
subject matter experts and consultants to ensure the safety of the
current hospital site and the monitoring of Reinforced Autoclaved
Aerated Concrete (RAAC), with specialist advisors and the Health
and Safety Executive. Processes would continue to be implemented to
ensure safety and functionality of the current hospital
site.
- The Chairman asked
how Frimley HealthNHS Foundation Trust was
going to meet sustainability requirements and the required 10%
biodiversity net gain (BNG), while still meeting the current
planning requirements. The Interim Programme Director explained
that the new hospital programme had some of the best designers,
with good experience of healthcare development, along with some of
the most modern technology. This aligned with the programme’s
ambition to ensure some of the most sustainable and environmentally
friendly hospitals. The Building Research Establishment
Environmental Assessment Method accreditation would be excellent.
The new hospital’s objective was to be net zero and
all-electric, and Frimley HealthNHS
Foundation Trust would work with the local planning authority on
the net zero and BNG agendas to ensure compliance.
- A Member asked if
Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust had to look for a greenbelt
site. The Interim Programme Director explained that there was a
selection criteria based on the viability of the site, and several
considerations for what a new hospital would look like in a certain
area and piece of land. This was being considered under several
different areas such as ecology, transportation, flood risks and
utilities. There was a significant level of due diligence being
applied to each reviewed site.
- The Member asked if
there had been engagement with an architect. The Interim Programme
Director confirmed there was an architect as part of a team of
professional advisors, appropriate for the new hospital
programme’s current stage.
- A Substitute Member
asked who was overseeing Frimley Health’s new hospital
programme. The Interim Programme Director said there was a robust
governance structure which reported to the Trust’s Board.
There was a programme team on the Trust Board, which reported
through a governance procedure in the trust, which then reported to
external stakeholders. The governance procedure was both at a Trust
level to manage the programme’s team and beyond, working with
strategic partners. There was also a procurement process for design
consultants to assess their credibility and expertise.
- The Chairman asked
Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust about access to the hospital
for those with a disability and reducing health inequalities for
those with mental health problems or on low incomes. The Director
of Partnerships and Engagement explained that reducing inequalities
was core to the work. There was a whole systems approach to
ensuring that everything done was supporting people who experienced
inequalities, particularly in health. Frimley Health NHS Foundation
Trust would continue embed this throughout the work and there would
be lessons learned from things that do not work well, such as with
disabled parking, and engagement with different communities would
be ensured.
Michaela
Martin left 1.45pm
- A Member asked
whether the impact that the new hospital would have on local
businesses had been considered. The Interim Programme Director
confirmed it was being considered, both on the impact of moving the
hospital from the existing location, and within the context of a
new site and the impact it would have there and what would be
needed to support local communities and businesses.
- The Chairman asked
how Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust was considering the strong
relationship it had with the armed forces in relation to the new
hospital programme. The Director for Partnerships and Engagement
explained that Frimley Health had a good relationship with the
armed forces. The Trust would continue to work actively with the
Ministry of Defence (MoD) and the armed forces, as well as with
others who shared the current site to review what the future
opportunities were for sharing sites, resources, and
capacity.
Actions:
- The Director of
Partnerships and Engagement to provide a copy of the consultation
questions that were asked as part of their engagement consultation
process noting that they were presumably previously circulated to
the committee in December.
Recommendations:
- To ensure that you
continue to make your plans public and consider how you are going
to continue to engage the community.
- To
ensure that you continue to refer to the consultation process which
needs to be continuous throughout the development
process.
- To
review what has been done and monitor how you will follow up
afterwards.
- To
make sure that your services are maintained throughout the whole
project.
- To
ensure that communication is out early and provides details
concerning the choice of the site and of the issues that you
foresee.
- To
ensure that there is effective Local Leadership and Programme
Management as a key part of the Frimley Park Hospital Replacement
Programme’s Governance system providing a strong focus on
Local Needs and Requirements in addition to those resources
focussed on the National Approach to Hospital 2.0
- To
continue with a greater development of public and staff
consultation in future steps with particular attention to lower
paid staff and low-income groups.
- To
provide information on the development of the transportation
related solutions for car parking, car access, and public transport
systems, and update the committee on how they will resolve any
potential issues in these areas.