Witnesses:
Marisa Heath, Cabinet
Member for Environment
Mark Nuti, Cabinet
Member for Health, Wellbeing and Public Health
Katie Stewart, Katie
Stewart, Executive Director for Environment, Infrastructure &
Growth (EIG)
Carolyn McKenzie,
Director for Environment
Katie McDonald,
Natural Capital Group Manager
Negin Sarafraz, Public
Health Principle
Cllr Lance Spencer,
Committee Vice-Chairman
Key points
made during the discussion:
- The Cabinet Member
for Environment suggested that the terminology
‘plant-based’ should not be used in the motion and
instead terminology around reduction of meat consumptions and
consuming other foods should be used.
- The Public Health
Principle, regarding language, outlined that plant-based food could
imply processed food, which may not be healthy. Inclusivity needed
to be ensured, such as for children with eating
disorders.
- The Vice-Chairman
asked if the recommendation effectively encompassed what was put
forward in resolution one. The Vice-Chairman brough attention to
‘Government Buying Standard for food and catering
services’, rather than using the term plant based. The Public
Health Principle explained that the food strategy supported the
resolution. Terminology needed to indicate more fruit and
vegetables, rather than using the term plant-based, which could be
interpreted as the processed plant-based products. It was already
included in the school curriculum to have conversations with
children and families around food choices.
- The Cabinet Member
for Environment raised that the ‘buying standards’ was
about buying sustainable and local food, rather than plant-based
food. The recommendation was about using more sustainable food
chains.
- A Member asked
whether it could be ensured that when catering contracts were
tendered, there was a requirement to follow and deliver on the
Council’s food strategy policies. The Cabinet Member for
Environment explained that Compass Group (foodservice company) and
others had their own ambitious sustainability objectives. Compass
Group was aiming to achieve 50% non-meat products. These companies
were on similar food strategy pathways to the Council, so it should
not be difficult to challenge them on the topic.
- Regarding the service
recommendation to resolution two, the Vice-Chairman suggested that
it did not reflect what the resolution was trying to achieve, which
was to encourage schools to have meat-free Mondays. The Public
Health Principle explained that the resolution was supported, but
it was about making it inclusive for all children. Some schools
were involved in meat-free Mondays, whereas others were not. A part
of the food strategy would be to ensure that all schools were
involved in this where there was the opportunity.
- The Chairman of the
Adults and Health Select Committee (AHSC) raised that there was a
concern around how the motion would affect people in any form of
social care. It was important that these people had a full choice
and were not restricted. This was particularly important in areas
of neurodiversity, mental health issues and those with
dementia.
- The Chairman asked if
the whole system food strategy already supported a meat free Monday
in schools. The Public Health Principle explained that the food
strategy actions were still being developed, but If the language
used was clear and considered inclusivity, the food strategy would
support meat free Mondays.
- The Cabinet Member
for Environment, in relation to the Chairman of AHSC’s point,
explained that the food strategy had to broadly think about the
people the Chairman raised. People on low incomes would also be
considered. Nutrition needed to be considered as well as
sustainability, such as ensuring children were getting enough fibre
in their diet which science had proved to be an issue. The strategy
needed to be based on existing evidence around what the best diet
was.
- The Vice-Chairman
suggested the recommendation be reworded to encompass resolution
two after the meeting. The Cabinet Member for Environment
concurred.
- The Cabinet Member
for Health, Wellbeing and Public Health agreed that the wording
needed to change. The Cabinet Member also raised a point around
education, and suggested the recommendation could include something
around schools having conversations around what children wanted to
eat rather than being prescriptive about what children could and
could not eat. The Cabinet Member for Environment suggest something
could be included around empowering schools to have a debate around
the food strategy give schools choice.
- A Member asked to
what extent Local Authority guidelines and Surrey’s outreach
to schools covered or included Academies. The Public Health
Principle explained that most schools that were covered by the
council and were not private had signed up to Surrey Healthy
Schools and Eco-Schools.
- A Member suggested
polytunnels could be considered so the food growing season could be
extended in schools.
- A Member asked what was meant by ‘facilitate
a robust public involvement’, in the service recommendation
for resolution 5. The Public Health Principle explained there were
several roadshows, to get people to talk about food, which resulted
in a want to ensure people were involved in the implementation of
the whole system food strategy. This would provide the opportunity
to ensure it was not a top-down strategy and action plan, and
instead came from the community.
Resolved:
That the Communities, Environment and Highways
Select Committee:
- Notes
the comprehensive work to develop the Surrey’s Whole System
Food Strategy and the Surrey County
Council Climate Change Strategy and the key ambition they set to
make our local food system more sustainable, empower local people
to make healthier food choices and reduce the impact of food system
on climate change, and that these ambitions align closely with
those set out in the Motion.
- Agrees
the Service recommendations for resolutions 1,3,4,5 of the Council
Motion and that further work should take place outside of Committee
to amend and agree resolution 2 of the
Motion taking into account the Committee’s discussion and
points made; and for the Committee to report to Council with
recommendations in July 2024.
- Encourage development of KPIs to
measure change on the ground (e.g. around sourcing of local food,
length of food chain, quality of food supplied).
1.13pm Break was called.
1.28pm Meeting resumed.