Witnesses:
Lisa Townsend,
Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC)
Ellie
Vesey-Thompson, Deputy Police and Crime Commissioner
(DPCC)
Alison Bolton,
Chief Executive and Monitoring Officer (OPCC)
Damian Markland,
Head of Performance and Governance (OPCC)
Kelvin Menon,
Chief Finance Officer (OPCC)
Key points
raised during the discussion:
- The
Chairman provided a brief outline of the purpose of the report. The
Commissioner moved to take questions.
- In
reference to the Domestic Abuse Hub, which secured £2 million
in funding from the Domestic Abuse Perpetrator Intervention Fund, a
member noted that the standards published alongside the fund
required intervention programmes to take place within a wider
community response, be delivered by well-supported specialist
staff, and benefit from monitoring and evaluation. The member asked
how these interventions at the Surrey hub met these
requirements.The PCC outlined the requirements were factored into
the service specification and procurement process. Requirements
were also embedded into the contractual obligations as part of
receiving the funding. The commissioning team had lots of
experience working with organisations to ensure contractual
obligations were met and issues were tackled early. There were good
relationships with funding partners which made a big
difference.
- The
Head of Performance and Governance added that when the OPCC
received devolved funding, as part of the standing allocation or
through a competitive process, the Home Office and/or the Ministry
of Justice paid a lot of attention to what was done with the
funding. The commissioning team were required to provide regular,
formal updates on how money was being spent. This, in addition to
the procurement process and tendering exercises, was all factored
into the final contract.
- The
member requested that in the Police and Crime Commissioner Annual
Reports, a summary of what was achieved in-year with the Domestic
Abuse Hub could be provided. The PCC confirmed this could be
provided.
Cllr Mike Smith
left the meeting at 11.07am.
- A
member, in reference to the report’s statement that
“…we have made millions of pounds available to support
victims of crime”, asked if the level of funding for these
services had increased, decreased or remained the same in the last
three years. The PCC explained that all the funding data was
available in the annual financial statements on the OPCC’s
website. The absolute level of funding available to the OPCC each
year varied. In addition to funds received from the government,
which was not yet known for future years, the OPCC and
commissioning team bid for additional funds for areas such as Safer
Streets and Anti-Social Behaviour (ASB). The annual difference does
not necessarily reflect a trajectory of the OPCC’s commitment
or lack of commitment, as the funding was often outside their
control, she added. It was not always easy to separate victim
services from community safety or reducing reoffending, as support
offered by any one service, such as the Domestic Abuse Hub, was
often there to support a range of people such as both perpetrators
and victims. For 2022/23, the OPCC funded local services to
£5.4 million (m) and for 2023/24 this rose to
£6.5m.
- A
member queried why the total funding being allocated to increase
public safety in Walton, Redhill and Guildford was set to decrease
in 2024/25 from the previous year. The member also asked if
sufficient advances in community safety had been realised in these
areas, and if this reduction could compromise the delivery of the
Serious Violence Reduction Strategy. The PCC explained this was
part of the Safer Streets Fund that came from the last government.
The amount of money the OPCC could bid for each year varies, as do
the issues the government want PCCs to prioritise. The government
had revisited its financial commitment to some of the national
funding, which included the previously agreed funding such as that
for Safer Streets. Surrey’s
allocation had been reduced as a result. Regarding Walton, Redhill
and Guildford, funding provided earlier in 2024 was to support the
establishment of new infrastructure and some street scene changes.
The OPCC worked closely with CSPs to identify specific areas of
need and to ensure funding opportunities were going to the right
places. The Safer Streets funding delivered was always done in
conjunction with district and borough councils.
- A
member asked what work was being done to consult with the Voluntary
and Community Frontline Sector (VCSF) or third sector experts in
violence against women and girls (VAWG), such as organisations like
End Violence Against Women. The member also asked if there was
certainty that the work of other such organisations in this field
would not be duplicated.The PCC explained that the OPCC had been
commissioning services for victims of VAWG for over ten years, and
had developed strong relationships, regionally, nationally and
locally. The OPCC worked closely with national organisations such
as Women’s Aid. Historically, local service providers were
represented on police boards within the Force.
- The
Head of Performance and Governance added that when the OPCC first
started commissioning services for victims of crime there were
occasions where services were delivered by different government
departments –particularly with services for victims of rape
and sexual assault, there were occasional instances where money was
provided by central government and a new service appeared with no
‘join-up’, they added, noting that this has ceased in
the last five years. They stated that the government now appeared
better at understanding the value PCCs could bring to
commissioning, and consulted with PCCs. This meant that most of the
funding for services flowed through PCC offices which helped with
coordination between the government and the OPCC. The OPPC had good
relationships with providers and other statutory agencies, such as
joint commissioning with Surrey County Council Central and NHS
England, for example with the recommissioning of sexual assault
referral centres (SARCs). The OPCC was part of the process in terms
of supporting services through funding and commissioning. He
clarified that there is now much less
duplication.
- The
Deputy Police and Crime Commissioner (DPCC) raised that the OPCC
was leading the way in many areas, particularly regarding VAWG.
Generally, any action on VAWG in Surrey was in collaboration with
charity partners and therefore not duplicating, they noted, adding
that the OPCC supported rural-specific Independent Domestic
Violence Advisors. As part of her role to lead on rural crime in
Surrey, the DPCC sits on the National Rural Crime Network and had
been asked to chair the working group nationally on rural domestic
abuse.
- The
Chairman raised interest in rural crime, and suggested the OPCC
could produce a future report on how this was
going.
- A
member asked if the PCC could explain the choice to use a report
format that did not involve Key Performance Indicators, RAG
(red-amber-green) rating or other similar measures to track
performance against stated objectives. The member referred to the
example of Priority 1: Reducing violence against women and
girls in the report, which did not state whether the violence
had reduced or explained what the outcomes of the outlined
activities were. The PCC explained that each priority in the report
had a link and a QR code that took the reader to the Data Hub.
Within this, there was a basket of measures for each element of the
Police and Crime Plan, with both monthly and annual rolling-trend
data. Including data in a static report document meant the data
would be out of date by the time the report was published. The PCC
felt the current report format was more transparent, rather than a
simplistic RAG rating determined by the PCC. It also ensured that
residents, stakeholders and Panel members had access to the latest
data. It allowed for the OPCC to show comparisons with previous
years’ data, providing a better sense of the overall
trajectory. The OPCC had started using custom mapping tools that
made use of the Police.uk Application Programming Interface
(API) data, allowing users to plot crime, ASB and stop and search
activity in their area. The PCC was not aware of other OPCCs in the
country that had a Data Hub or was publishing the amount of
accessible and transparent data as Surrey is and clarified that all
the data on VAWG could be viewed on the Data Hub. The PCC noted
when first appointed as the PCC she felt VAWG was not being
reported on enough and wanted to see this increase. The Head of
Performance and Governance outlined he was happy to take any
suggestions panel members should have concerning the Data Hub and
noted that it would be updated after the launch of the new Police
and Crime Plan to ensure it was reflective.
- The
member expressed appreciation for the Data Hub but raised that the
purpose of an annual report was to look at what happened in-year to
compare to previous years.The PCC reiterated that all the data was
available on the Data Hub and would prefer this approach over
producing a report with out-of-date data. Another member suggested
that a simplified RAG rating would still provide an opportunity to
compare to previous years’ performance, even if it was
out-of-date. The PCC took the comments on board but reiterated her
previous answer.
Cllr Mike Smith
returned to the meeting at 11.24am.
- A
member raised that the existing Police and Crime Plan listed
numerous objectives within each of the five headlines and asked
what approach had been taken to identify which objectives to
highlight in the report, to avoid the appearance of cherry-picking.
The PCC explained this had been discussed within the OPCC,
particularly regarding the new Police and Crime Plan. The Head of
Performance and Governance explained that when the Data Hub was
launched there was a breakdown of the objectives/actions, both for
the OPCC and the Force, and joint actions. The OPCC started to
provide updates under each of the actions, but due to the number of
actions it was difficult to keep track of them, so this is being
reviewed. The OPCC would have a new set of actions in the new
Police and Crime Plan. Around when the new Plan was published, the
Head of Performance and Governance would return to the committee
with a process to make it easier to understand the delivery of the
actions. The OPCC did publish, in the annual report and the Data
Hub, qualitative updates around specific areas of
work.
- The
DPCC highlighted the work of the Surrey Youth Commission. The Youth
Commission recently had their second annual big conversation
conference where their findings for 2024, which would feed into the
Police and Crime Plan, were delivered. The Youth Commission went
through the objectives it set for the OPCC, the police and partners
in 2023 and identified what was delivered and what needed continued
work. The Youth Commission’s plan would be published in early
winter 2024. The DPCC encouraged the Panel to read this and ensured
it would be shared.
- A
member raised that with 4 years to go until the PCC was next up for
election, there was an opportunity for the PCC to take a balanced
approach and highlight areas that were going well and areas of
frustration. The member raised an opinion that there was a tendency
to pick the positives in the annual report. For example, the member
referred to the report’s mention of the Surrey Police
Inspections which referred the readers to the Data Hub, but the
reality of the latest HMICFRS PEEL report was challenging. The PCC
agreed that the PEEL report was challenging but explained it was
not reflective of the situation at the time nor reflective of the
current situation. The PCC wanted to ensure that data was available
to the public and was not sure how many members of the public would
read the annual report.
- A member asked about supporting armed forces and
veterans, and how schemes to help employ veterans into the Force
were being promoted. The DPCC referred to both her and the PCCs
desire to scrap the degree requirement for policing when first
appointed into their roles. The DPCC felt this requirement did not
entice veterans to join the police and this change had helped. Both
herself and the PCC supported the new Armed Forces Support Group in
Surrey Police, which worked collaboratively with Sussex Police.
This group applied for Silver Level in the Defence Employer Recognition
Scheme, on behalf of the Force, which was achieved earlier in 2024.
This group attended career’s fairs, visited barracks and
spoke to departing soldiers. The group often went to
‘drop-ins’ at the veterans’ hubs. The group was
looking into a veteran-specific route into Surrey policing, but now
the degree requirement was dropped and the presence of alternative
routes into policing was more established, this may not be as
needed. The DPCC agreed to check the status of this and provide an
answer to the committee.
Actions/requests for further information:
- PCC/OPCC to provide
update on what was achieved in-year on the work of the Surrey
Domestic Violence Hub in the next Annual Report.
- OPCC to produce a
future update on the progress made in regard to rural domestic
abuse.
- The DPCC to provide a
written a breakdown of veteran’s work and Surrey Police-
specifically on the status of a potential Veteran-specific route
into Surrey policing, which was previously being
considered.