Witnesses:
Lisa Townsend,
Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC)
Ellie
Vesey-Thompson, Deputy Police and Crime Commissioner
(DPCC)
Alison Bolton,
Chief Executive and Monitoring Officer (OPCC)
Damian Markland,
Head of Performance and Governance (OPCC)
Kelvin Menon,
Chief Finance Officer (OPCC)
Key points
raised during the discussion:
- The
Chairman
outlined the purpose of this report.
- In
reference to Surrey Police now employing more officers than ever
before, due to exceeding the government officer recruitment uplift
target, a member asked what impact this had on Surrey Police
Group’s finance, given the £18m of savings required
over the next four years.The PCC explained that the previous
government offered two incentives to Forces to recruit above
uplift. The Force took advantage of both offers in 2023/24 and
2024/25. 10 people applied in the first year, and a further 12
people in 2024/25 - for each officer recruited above the uplift in
2024/25, the government provided a grant of £48,000, and it
was assumed that the additional officers would continue to be
funded separately, not under the wider Force budget. She noted
that, if this ceased to be the case, officer numbers may need to be
reduced through natural wastage and until it returned to the uplift
figure, clarifying that all Forces lobbied the previous government
to recognise the cost of funding. Uplift officers increased
overtime, as officers moved up the pay scale, which was a
challenge, she added. This had so far not been recognised in
funding allocations and was a growing pressure. The OPCC was
waiting to see if this would be reflected in the spending review
later in 2024, but the PCC was not hopeful. The Chief Finance
Officer added that he was on the National Police Chief’s
Council (NPCC) Finance Committee which had put in their submission
that the rising cost of the uplift needed to be recognised and
adequately funded. However, public finances were
tight.
- The
member asked if there was any indication on this from the new
government. The PCC reiterated that the spending review was
awaited, along with more detail from the government. Police Chief
Constables had been told to not expect more
money.
- The
Chairman asked if Surrey was still lobbying for different funding
formulas so that Surrey received a fair amount. The PCC confirmed
this was the case and stated that any change in the funding formula
would not necessarily benefit Surrey, despite this being the
assumption due to Surrey’s position.
- A
member asked for clarity on how the PCC expected government plans
for 13,000 new neighbourhood police, PCSOs and special constables
across the UK would affect the Force and be implemented. The PCC
explained that the OPCC and the Force were still waiting for
clarity on this. It was a manifesto commitment, so the OPCC was
expecting it, and early discussions with Home Office indicated it
would be a mixture of officers, the PCC added. Chief Constables had
been told to not expect any extra funding, which would be a
potential challenge, and it was believed it would be a combination
of new PCSOs and Officers. Although recruiting for PCSOs was a
challenge in Surrey, the Force was now 18 PCSOs short of
establishment, which was a better position, and the Force was
continuing to try different methods of recruitment. The
Commissioner noted that the NPCC Finance Committee had stated that
that if Forces nationally were to meet the pledge of 13,000
Officers/PCSOs, more funding would be needed and that the committee
had spoken about some of the PCSOs and Officers being re-deployed
from other areas, which was a concern for the PCC as it may involve
moving Officers away from specialist services.
- The
member asked if the PCC could provide any insight into the reasons
suspected to be behind the higher and slightly increasing rate of
officer attrition in the Force. The PCC explained there were
several factors, including a competitive job market, with better
salaries available elsewhere. Policing was not generally that
flexible, for example, some roles could not involve working from
home, and Surrey Police had to contend with the Metropolitan
Police’s recruitment campaigns, which tended to offer higher
salaries or benefits. She noted that Surrey was an expensive
county, particularly for young people and due to national pay
scales, it was often cheaper to leave Surrey and go to a different
force. Policing was not for everybody, which some applicants did
not realise until experiencing the job. Work was going into HR and
recruitment teams in trying to be open, explicit and setting
expectations on what was expected from applicants, she added, as
well as into ensuring that there are early conversations with
people who were considering leaving the Force or if a manager
noticed an employee was not satisfied with the work. When the Force
was recruiting high numbers of officers quickly, increased
attrition was a challenge, she said.
- The
member raised that the report referred to the new enhanced scrutiny
arrangements for local policing bodies and PCCs with respect to
misconduct hearings, including meetings with hearing Chairs. The
member asked what impact the PCC envisaged these changes would
have, and if the PCC believed there was a way that the Panel could
be updated on strategic issues or themes that arose from this. The
PCC explained it was anticipated that all Forces nationally would
see an increase in misconduct hearings. The Force was doing work in
rooting out all kinds of behaviour that was considered
inappropriate, which would lead to a corresponding increase in
appeals. These processes are supported by the OPCC through the
recruitment of legally qualified Chairs and independent panel
members. The provision of training and ensuring compliance was
managed by the OPCC. The OPCC had been working to ensure better and
more efficient working relationships, particularly with
neighbouring OPCCs. She explained how this allowed the OPCC to deal
with any increases in demand and the ability to borrow from other
OPCCs and vice versa. The data associated with misconduct cases is
confidential, but the OPCC would provide updates on strategic
issues as part of the standing workforce planning
update.
- Regarding the report’s statement that the proportion of
officers and staff facing misconduct hearings was small in
comparison to the 4000 staff, although the Force conducted 47% more
hearings this year than in 2022/23, a member asked how the Panel
could be certain that the Force was not simply failing to detect a
greater number of instances of misconduct. The PCC noted that no
vetting or misconduct process would be perfect, but time and effort
went into ensuring the Force’s local processes were as robust
as possible. The PCC felt process was better now than previously.
The OPCC played a larger role in the oversight of misconduct
hearings than previously, both in terms of the PCC’s role and
bringing in new
staff to oversee this, and that had a close working
relationship with the organisations such as the Professional
Standards Department and the Police Federation of England and Wales
(PFEW). The PCC speaks regularly to the PFEW to understand their
concerns. The PCC was pleased to see an increase in misconduct
hearings as it meant reporting and detection mechanisms were more
robust. The last report detailing the Force’s misconduct
clarified that most misconduct proceedings were because a colleague
had reported another colleague. The PCC felt this was reassuring,
as it showed police officers were feeling enabled and confident to
report.
- A
member raised that the PFEW Pay and Morale Survey found concerning
levels of dissatisfaction among Surrey officers, including with
pay, and a large number confessed a desire to leave the service
within two years. The member asked how dissatisfaction with
compensation could be reconciled with the Medium-Term Financial
Forecast. The PCC noted it was a challenge and police pay was set
nationally by the Pay Review Body. Once the government had reviewed
the body’s findings and decided on the increase officers
would receive, the Force was obliged to comply with the
recommendation. In the current year, the government provide
additional funding to help fund the cost of the pay rise above
2.5%. Going forward, she said, the Medium-Term Financial Plan
(MTFP) included annual rises of 2.5%, assuming that if a larger
increase was agreed by the government following the Pay Review
Board, it would be funded. There were lots of reasons why people
left the police force, including better or more convenient
opportunities, as well as pay, she added. The Chief Finance Officer
stated that the pay was set by the government, and the assumption
was that any rise above 2.5% would be funded. If it were not
funded, it would add pressure on the MTFP.
- A
member asked how officer numbers were expected to change over the
PCC’s term in office, how financial penalties for low officer
numbers would be averted, and what the assumption was around uplift
penalties. The PCC explained there was a lot of uncertainty around
government policy in this area and that officer numbers were
therefore not able to be forecasted with certainty beyond 2024/24.
For the current year, the Force was required to obtain their uplift
baseline, which was 2,253 officers, as well as the additional 22
that was agreed to recruit post-uplift. The PCC clarified that the
Force believe they are on track to meet the target but were waiting
for the government to reveal the funding arrangements. The Chief
Finance Officer confirmed there were financial penalties if the
target for uplift arrangements were not met - uplift arrangements
are put in place for each year, and therefore Surrey Police Group
only knew the arrangements for 2024/25. It was the responsibility
of the government what arrangements would be put in place for the
uplift in future years. Until this was revealed, predictions could
not be made with certainty.
- The
member raised that it would still be a decision around how
resources were used to maintain, increase or decrease officer
numbers. In reference to the last PCC election, the member noted
that the ballot papers bore the description “more police,
safer streets” by the Commissioner’s name -the
member asked if voters should take this as a commitment that the
number of officers would increase during the PCC’s term.The
PCC stated that the number of officers had increased and was still
increasing and expressed commitment to do everything possible to
ensure this. In terms of operational resources, it was for the
Chief Constable to decide where operational resources were best
deployed.
- A
member referred to the Equalities and Human Rights
Commission’s updated guidance for the Prevent duty, which
would require all organisations to take positive and reasonable
steps to prevent sexual harassment. The member queried how
confident the PCC was that the Force would meet this objective. The
member noted it was good to see the initiatives, in relation to
tackling misogyny and victim blaming on page 79 of the agenda and
asked if there was any evidence that it was having a positive
effect on attrition rates. The member also asked if there was
similar work in relation to ethnic minorities and LGBT+ officers
and staff. Regarding updates on the Prevent duty, the PCC noted it
was an important announcement and that it had likely duplicated work
and previous announcements that came from other organisations.
Therefore, the PCC did not believe Surrey Police were going to be
required to do anything differently to meet it. In terms of
attrition and misogyny, the Force had increased female applicants
to police officer and detective positions, - Surrey Police looks
quite different now to how it did in the past. The PCC remarked
that, as the world moved on, policing was traditionally behind, but
Surrey Police was moving in the right direction, and that the Chief
Constable’s vision was to have a workforce that was diverse,
inclusive and equal, and a workforce that understood why this was
important. The PCC was seeing this happening under the current
Chief Constable and noted that the Force had agreed an equality,
diversity and inclusion policy. There were several dedicated forums
that considered equality issues, which included the Disability
Advisory Group, the Race Advisory Group, the LQBTQ+ Advisory Group,
as well as dedicated Liaison Officers within the Force for people
experiencing issues. These were well-signposted. The Force and
Deputy Chief Constable had taken a real interest in leading the
Gold Group around this area. Pulse surveys and wider HR feedback
mechanisms were designed to capture this data.
- The
member referred to a statement from a senior member of the Surrey
Police prior to the riots that Surrey Police was an anti-racist
organisation and asked if the PCC endorsed this statement. The PCC
replied she would not endorse a statement without seeing
it.
- A
member asked if an officer resigned during a misconduct case,
whether the case would be subject to the same thoroughness of
investigation. The PCC confirmed that a resignation did not end the
process of the investigation.
The Panel
NOTED the report.
Actions/requests for further information:
·
The PCC/OPCC to provide updates on the strategic issues regarding
the enhanced scrutiny arrangements around misconduct hearings, as
part of the standing workforce planning update item.