Witnesses:
David Lewis, Cabinet Member for
Finance and Resources
Andy Brown, Deputy Chief
Executive & Executive Director Finance & Corporate Services
(Section 151 Officer)
Diane Wilding, Director - Land
and Property
Charles Maxlow-Tomlinson,
Managing Director - Halsey Garton Property
Neil Jarvey, Strategic Finance
Business Partner - Commercial
Bill Harrow, Senior Finance
Business Partner - Commercial
Key
points raised during the discussion:
- Prior to the
discussion, Cllr Edward Hawkins noted he was previously, but no
longer, a council appointed governor for Halsey Garton Properties
(HGP).
- The Strategic Finance
Business Partner - Commercial provided a brief introduction to the
report.
- The Chairman outlined
the report’s statement that unaudited pre-tax net profits of
£1.3m were achieved this year, a reduction of £1.1
million (m) on the £2.4m achieved last year. The Chairman
asked if an explanation could be given about the property disposal
and bad debt provision that preceded this. The Strategic Finance
Business Partner - Commercial explained that the £1.1m drop
mainly related to Halsey Garton Property (HGP). The disposal of
Melksham contributed to this, which was a positive outcome for the
Council as it had an element of long-term risk and was sold at a
profit. Melksham was disposed of part way through the year which
resulted in no ongoing rent, a loss of £0.7m, offset by
£0.5m of additional interest. The £0.8m rental
incentive for Melksham, originally expected to be amortised over
the lease term, had a £0.8m impact due to its disposal. There
was a £400,000 annual difference due to bad debt, and a
one-off benefit where a debtor paid off their debt in 2022/23 which
was accumulated in the Covid-19 pandemic and a benefit from having
lower voids through less vacancies around HGP. Overall, HGP had
undergone a £0.7m annual profit reduction, due to items
related to one-off events or Melksham’s disposal. There was a
further £0.4m drop in Hendeca due to one-off items and a
change in the mix of business.
- A Vice-Chairman asked
for clarification on an apparent disparity in HGP’s interest
payments to the Council which was quoted on page 62 of the agenda
as £14.3m and £14.8m on page 49 of the agenda. The
Strategic Finance Business Partner - Commercial clarified that the
£14.3m related to HGP and the £14.8m referred to all
the subsidiaries including around £0.4m from Halsey Garton
Residential (HGR) and around £0.1m from Surrey
Choices.
- In response to the
Vice-Chairman’s query regarding what trend was exhibited in
the £14.8m of interest paid to the council, the Strategic
Finance Business Partner - Commercial explained those were
longer-term loans expected to continue annually. HGP has a fixed
rate of interest of around 6%, which would return £14.3m of
interest annually for the duration of the loans, while HGR’s
was an annuity loan with a slight difference between the principal
and interest each year, for example £0.1m relating to Surrey
Choices ran until 2029 and reduced annually because Surrey Choices
paid principal. The Vice-Chairman asked if there was an upward
trend in the interest received by the Council. The Strategic
Finance Business Partner - Commercial explained that dividends were
more variable, noting that there were £0.4m in dividends in
2022/23 which dropped to around £22,000 in 2023/24, mainly
because of a reduction in Hendeca’s profits, so could not pay
dividends. The TRIC Consortium Ltd’s dividends were
consistently between £70,000 to £90,000, but due to
one-off items in their 2023/24 Profit and Loss statement, they were
unable to pay a significant dividend, they added, before noting
that this was expected to return to normal levels.
- Regarding page 64 of
the agenda, which stated that a key HGR principle was to retain and
repurpose existing assets forecasted to deliver Council policy, the
Chairman asked what policies HGR was serving. The Strategic Finance
Business Partner - Commercial explained that there was interest in
essential worker housing when the strategy was produced in 2023
with the idea that the Council could repurpose some of their
properties to support an essential worker policy, though this has
since been put on hold. The intention was that properties that
could not support an essential worker policy or were not
financially viable for the Council would begin to undergo a process
of disposal, with HGR revisiting the policy requirement from the
Council within the next 12 months and deciding whether HGR needed
to repurpose or potentially dispose of more properties. The
Managing Director - Halsey Garton Property added
that government legislation, such as the Renters Reform Bill and
Decent Home Standard legislation, would likely make it more
expensive for landlords to hold residential property for the
leasing market. At the current time, they added, SIB, as the
shareholder, decided not to repurpose some of HGR’s assets
for an essential worker housing policy, so the agreed company
strategy for the short- to-medium term was to divest properties
when tenancies came to renewal.
- A member asked about
the taxation implications of a large-scale disposal programme of
HGR’s residential properties. The Strategic Finance Business
Partner - Commercial explained there was not a tax impact for
disposing of HGR’s properties as the freehold was retained by
the Council.
- Regarding freedoms
awarded by the Localism Act to generate revenue in future years, a
Vice-Chairman asked how the Council was looking to explore those
freedoms and how well the Council’s trading and investment
activities helped to improve financial resilience, considering the
previously referenced decreases in dividends and pre-tax profits.
The Strategic Finance Business Partner - Commercial replied that
the Council intended to conduct a refreshed review of all their
investments over the next 12 months, and that financial reviews of
two subsidiaries were conducted in the last 12 months,
recommendations from which are being implemented. When the
long-term financing of Halsey Garton Property Investments Ltd
(HGPI) was reviewed, a whole strategy of the investments would be
produced to examine whether it would, for example, deliver
long-term financial resilience. They clarified that an updated
strategy would be produced to consider alternative options, and
that case-by-case reviews are currently being conducted.
The Vice-Chairman asked if the refreshed review,
when complete, could be added to the Committee’s Forward Work
Programme.
- Regarding the
report’s reference to changes in Public Works Loan Board
(PWLB) borrowing rules (page 59 of the agenda), a member asked what
long-term effects this was expected to have on the Council’s
ability to generate revenue though Local Authority Trading
Companies (LATCs). The Strategic Finance Business
Partner - Commercial explained that the Council can protect and
maintain assets already invested in, for example, if the Council
needed to invest into one of the buildings within the HGP portfolio
and the company was not able to fund this, the Council would be
able to add further investment to protect the value and ensure the
best return. They also stated that the Council may not necessarily
want to invest more into property or commercial assets due to its
present level of risk, regardless of the fact that the Prudential
framework and PWLB rule changes now prevent any local authority
from making further investment purely for commercial purposes. The
Council was comfortable with the level of investment it had and
there was no indication the Council needed to divest of anything,
they added. The member asked whether the Council could
borrow money for the purchase or improvement of property under the
current rules. The Strategic Finance Business
Partner - Commercial explained that if profit could be deemed as a
secondary benefit to a service purpose or regeneration, then it
could, though this was not the case for HGP as its purpose was to
produce commercial returns for the Council.
- A member asked what
assessment had been made of the quality of the services provided by
the different investment vehicles, as well as how cost effective
they are. In terms of cost effectiveness, the Strategic Finance
Business Partner - Commercial provided the example of
Connect2Surrey, where the Council paid a lower rate for the
recruitment than under the previous third-party arrangement and
agreed to share this figure after the meeting. Regarding the
quality of services, the Strategic Finance Business Partner -
Commercial outlined Connect2Surrey’s financial benefits to
the Council such as that they recruited exclusively for the Council
and the rates of pay, markups and margins were fixed through a
framework. They further added that Surrey Choices was subject to a
financial sustainability review including an approximate comparison
to market pricing, and that their contract ran to the end of March
2025. A revised commissioning strategy was being prepared, with a
procurement exercise likely to follow as it was deemed prudent to
reevaluate the market alternatives, they added.
- The member asked
about other organisations that provide services, such as
TRICS Consortium Ltd, and if a similar assessment
would be undertaken. The Strategic Finance Business Partner -
Commercial explained there has not been a similar assessment of
TRICS Consortium Ltd (TRICS). The majority of TRICS’s
business was outside if the Council, with 6 local authority
partners as well as the wider market. Therefore, the Council was
not compelled to use TRICS Consortium Ltd. There is an emerging
intention to review the Council’s shareholding in TRICS, they
said; the Council also has to ensure that TRICS afforded the same
opportunity to its other shareholders. Therefore, the Council
intended to ask for an annual general meeting-style review of
TRICS’s business plans.
- The Chairman asked
about Surrey Choices’ employability performance in terms of
the Council’s objectives. The Strategic
Finance Business Partner - Commercial agreed to provide an answer
after the meeting.
- In reference to page
14 of the Annual Report (page 64 in the agenda) which referred to
“[..] pending legislation changes which are considered to be
a significant risk.”, a member asked what those expected
legislative changes were and what their likely effects would
be. The Managing Director - Halsey Garton
Property noted the main legislative change was the Renters Reform
Bill, the effects of which would include the ability to remove
disruptive tenants, as well as those causing issues to properties
and with neighbours. They also noted the Decent Home Standards
legislation, which would be expensive for some landlords to comply
with, particularly with the changes to Energy Performance
Certificate (EPC) levels, adding that HGR would be impacted by
this. The officer went on to point out that a vast majority of
HGR’s properties, despite being well-maintained, would not
comply with the required EPC levels because of their style and age
and that a minimum estimate of £10,000 per property has been
made for bringing them up to the required Decent Home Standard. The
member asked what the plans were to tackle those issues. The
Managing Director - Halsey Garton Property explained that each
individual property has been identified in HGR’s budget, with
each having individual condition reports, stating that a cost of
anywhere between £10,000 to £100,000 on any specific
asset was put in place for the expected cost to comply with the new
legislation. Responding to the member’s question as to
whether this is considered affordable, the Managing Director -
Halsey Garton Property clarified that it was not. This was why the
HGR’s two-year company strategy, approved by the Strategic
Investment Board (SIB) on 24 July 2023, stated it as the reason the
Council was looking to not renew properties and divest assets as it
was not sustainable for the future viability of HGR.
- A Vice-Chairman
stated that the report referred to the fact that the expenditure
plans in the Medium-Term Financial Strategy (MTFS) were dependent
on achieving expected net investment income. If this was not
achieved, the Vice-Chairman asked what steps would be taken to
remedy the shortfall and what effects this may have on the
expenditure and related services. The Strategic Finance Business
Partner - Commercial explained that most of the current income -
£14.3m out of the £14.8m - came from HGPI, which has
around 55 tenants across 16 buildings, providing a means of
potentially being able to withstand potential issues. They noted
that the council tried to plan around the risks of HGP’s
buildings. The Strategic Finance Business Partner - Commercial used
Melksham as a good example of asset planning - the council had to
be aware that at some point reinvestment or repurposing of a
building may be needed to make it more attractive to tenants or the
Council may decide to dispose of the building, they said. If this
was the case, the ability to service the current loans that
continued to pay £14.3m of interest could be impacted in the
long term. They stated that, when doing the piece of work looking
at the strategy and the long-term financing of HGPI, the Council
should be mindful of reviewing the potential risks and what
reinvestment requirement might be needed to ensure planning ahead,
and that a possible outcome could be Council deciding that
£14.3m was not affordable in the long term. The Council was
looking ahead, and the Managing Director - Halsey Garton property
has conducted asset planning to improve understanding and factor
the assets into SCC’s long-term financial planning. They
further added that there is always the risk that a big tenant could
fail, but it was hoped that because HGPI was spread across 16
buildings, the Halsey Garton Property Team would monitor the market
or if there are any tenants that present risks. They noted that a
decision could be taken to divest or repurpose a building to
mitigate the risk, as long as it was factored into the long-term
planning, then the Council had mitigated against the
risk.
- A Vice-Chairman asked
if the scenario of a big tenant failing had been considered and
worked though, such as what the impact of this would be on the
Council and on HGPI, and what the mitigations could be employed
against this. The Managing Director - Halsey Garton Property
explained that each year there was an annual HGPI business plan
which was submitted or endorsed by the Shareholder Investment Panel
(SHIP) and then approved by SIB. This sets out the risk of each
individual tenant and asset, they said, and a detailed business
analysis and a business review of each individual asset was done
within HGPI, which then modelled this around what would happen in
the event that a tenant entered administration or something
happened to the property. The Director - Land and Property
reassured members that extra care was taken to ensure that the
correct commercial expertise was available and that there was the
right balance of risk across the different sectors of industrial,
commercial and retail.
- A Vice-Chairman asked
if SIB’s annual business report could be provided to the
Committee. The Strategic Finance Business Partner - Commercial
clarified that what went to the committee was the SIB annual report
(which is largely retrospective), that there had been discussions
with the Interim Director of Law & Governance (Monitoring
Officer) and Democratic Services concerning this format, and that
the intention was to bring a Part 2 paper detailing plans to the
committee around mid-year, between each annual report where the
business plans of each company are discussed. The Vice-Chairman
asked if the previous years’ annual business reports could be
shared with the Committee. The Strategic Finance Business Partner -
Commercial confirmed these could be shared.
- A member asked about
the total amount of capital the Council had invested into the
general activity and how much income these generated last year. The
Strategic Finance Business Partner - Commercial explained that the
amount of income that came into the Council on a company-by-company
basis can be found in the group statutory accounts of interest
paid, and that he would provide an exact answer after the
committee. Regarding HGPI and HGR, The Managing Director - Halsey
Garton Property explained there are specific company accounts
available which set out the total income coming into each of those
companies, the total capital invested, the total annual income
received and the cost of the company. The Director - Land and
Property added it was long term investment, where different years
would show different returns.
The Committee NOTED the
report.
Actions/requests for further information:
- The Scrutiny Officer
is to add an item to the Forward Work Programme considering the
review of council investments over the next 12 months.
- The Strategic Finance
Business Partner - Commercial to share with the committee figures
relating to the cost-effectiveness of services provided by the
council’s different investment bodies e.g.
Connect2Surrey.
- Strategic Finance
Business Partner - Commercial to provide information on Surrey
Choices and the benefits that it delivers to the council in
employability.
- The Scrutiny Officer
is to follow-up on the possibility of the mid-year report of the
Strategic Investment Board returning to the Select Committee for
consideration.
- The Scrutiny Officer
to collate previous years’ SIB annual business reports to
share with the select committee.
- The Strategic Finance
Business Partner – Commercial to update on where the public
can view the total amount of income received and capital invested
by the council in its investment companies, on a company-by-company
basis. Officers to provide specific company accounts to the
committee if not already available elsewhere.