Witnesses:
Lisa Townsend,
Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC)
Kelvin Menon,
Chief Finance Officer (OPCC)
Key points
raised during the discussion:
- The
Chairman outlined the purpose of the report. The Chief Finance
Office provided a brief introduction, noting that the audit was
currently being conducted and was on track to be completed by the
statutory deadline in February.
- A
member asked how the underspends in ‘Supplies and
Services’ and ‘Grants and Income’ (of £1.8m
and £5.8m, respectively) were achieved in 2023/24, and if it
was anticipated that these would be repeated for 2024/25. The Chief
Finance Officer explained that the £1.8 m was an effort to
drive savings earlier in the period for use in 2024/25. This meant
several centrally held budgets for things like estates were not all
used. The £5.8m was made up by things such as additional
income for the use of custody cells, due to prison overcrowding.
Grants were also awarded in-year for Safer Streets. Although there
was an underspend in ‘Supplies and Services’, there
would be an overspend elsewhere in the budget, they added, noting
that Surrey Police Group had income from mutual aid and
counterterrorism, and received a £1.6m refund of business
rates which would go towards the Group’s estates programme.
He noted that some of these would be repeated in 2024/25, such as
additional income for custody cells and mutual aid due to civil
disturbance.
- A
member referred to the £0.2m that was underspent by Surrey
Police Group and the substantial increase in total reserves which
had increased from £30.8m in 2023 to £37.2m in 2024.
The member queried if there was a significant revenue surplus, but
it had been put into reserves. The Chief Finance Officer confirmed
there was a revenue surplus and part of this increase was the
£1.6m rates refund. During the year, Surrey Police Group had
sold several assets, and this money was put into reserves. He
stated that some programmes had slipped in the capital programme,
and this money also went into reserves, and that more information
could be retrieved from the Force to provide more detail to the
Panel.
- Regarding the additional funding that was secured from the Home
Office for recruiting above the uplift target, a member asked if
this was financially prudent, given this increase did not cover the
future salaries of officers as they were promoted up the pay scale.
The Chief Finance Officer explained that the government offered the
incentive to recruit above uplift, but Surrey Police Group was not
monitored on this target as part of the base uplift figure.
Therefore, if the funding was not renewed, Surrey Police Group was
no longer obliged to keep to those additional officer numbers and
so the overall total could fall back to the uplift total through
natural wastage. This meant that Surrey Police Group could recruit
ahead of time and get paid an incentive to do so. It was felt this
was the right thing to do at the time, but it would need reviewing
depending on what the uplift conditions were in future
years.
- The
Chairman raised that overtime costs were overspent by £2.7m
in 2023/24, but not all of this was due to contact staff vacancies,
that were now filled. The Chairman asked how the costs from the
other sources, namely Neighbourhood Policing, Specialist Crime and
Custody, would be mitigated in future years. The Chief Finance
Officer explained that an overtime working group was established
which reviewed areas such as shift patterns and handovers. There
would always be an element of overtime to cover, for example,
special operations, bank holidays and sickness though in the past,
there may not have been enough senior officer oversight of where
overtime was spent. Therefore, the working group was reviewing
working practices to try to minimise the amount of unplanned
overtime. It was noted that overtime impacted on officer’s
wellbeing as well as cost.
- A
member referred to the June 2024 internal audit progress report,
which highlighted limited assurance reports for financial controls
in seven different areas. The member noted the written response
received and further raised that it would be helpful to understand
what the concerns raised by internal audit were. The Chief Finance
Officer explained that auditors not only reviewed financial
controls but also operational controls and systems. The Chief
Finance Officers outlined the different areas highlighted in the
report, and what the recommendations related to, including the
leavers process and if the correct procedure was being followed. He
noted that several vehicle recovery recommendations related to
inadequate storage of vehicles seized by police, and that one
recommendation was for the armouries related to training records
that required updating. Recommendations around business continuity
related to several outstanding plans that require testing, he said,
while recommendations around redundancy related to instances where
redundancy policy had not been precisely followed. He added that
the recommendations demonstrated that the auditors had done a
thorough job and allowed for actions to improve the areas
highlighted. The Joint Audit Committee reviewed the full report,
together with the PCC and the Chief Constable, and so managers were
then held to account.
- The
Chairman referred to the £1.9m more than what was budgeted
for in grants received in 2024, as demonstrated on page 5 of the
report. The Chairman asked if this was likely to be repeated in
future years, and what would happen if similar amounts were not
acquired for future budgets. The Chief Finance Officer explained
that the grants were applied for or simply awarded by government.
For example, this year grants were awarded for ASB and Safer
Streets. Surrey Police Group would like these grants to be repeated
and increased in the future. However, if the grants stopped,
initiatives would need to reduce or be stopped. Conversely if
additional grants were awarded, it would enable the Police to
support more initiatives which could include extra
policing.
- A
member referred to paragraph 36 of the report, which stated “The Force has benefited
financially from a tight labour market in that its inability to
recruit Police Staff has enabled it to not only to have a larger
vacancy margin than planned […] The Force cannot afford for
all these posts to be filled […]”. The member
raised that it was not just salary levels that determined
retainment of staff, it was also based on whether the Force was a
good employer. The member asked if the above passage from the
report implied that the Force should not try too hard to retain and
recruit staff, as financially it could not afford to fill all
vacancies. The Chief Finance Officer outlined that from a purely
financial viewpoint the greater the number of unfilled vacancies
the more chance there was of balancing the budget. However, this
has operational impacts and creates pressures on current staff.
This was partly being addressed by putting in several restructures,
changing working practices and shift patterns and investing in
technology so that reductions in staff can be made permanent. He
clarified that Surrey Police Group had to be smarter and more
efficient with the resources currently
available.
- A
member raised that in the past the Panel had received an update on
the relative strength of the Force’s establishment in
particular areas and asked if the latest figure could be
provided.The OPCC agreed to provide this.
The Committee
NOTED the report.
Actions/requests for further information:
- The Chief Finance
Officer to provide more detail on the revenue reserves surplus of
the force.
- OPCC to provide an
update on the strength of the force’s establishment in
particular areas e.g. PCSOs.