Witnesses:
David Lewis, Cabinet Member for Finance and
Resources
Denise Turner-Stewart, Cabinet Member for
Customer and Communities
Andy Brown, Deputy Chief Executive and
Executive Director of Resources
Rachel Wigley, Director of Finance Insights
and Performance
Nicola O’Connor, Strategic Finance
Business Partner (Corporate)
Louise Lawson, Strategic Finance Business
Partner for Resources, Land and Property and Economy and Growth
Adam Whittaker, Principal Strategy and Policy
Lead
Liz Mills, Strategic Director of Customer
Service Transformation
Simon Crowther, Interim Executive Director of
Environment, Property and Growth (EPG)
Diane Wilding, Director of Land and
Property
Key points raised
during the discussion:
Prior to the
discussion the Cabinet Member for Finance and Resources and
Officers provided a slide presentation on the Draft Budget 2025/26
and Medium-Term Financial Strategy to 2029/30 (See Item 6 in the
agenda, pages 27-38)
- The Chairman asked if officers
wanted to add anything further about rate retention levels.The
Strategic Finance Business Partner (Corporate) outlined that
council tax collection rates were informed by information from
boroughs and districts. The collection rate was forecasted at 98.5%
in the draft budget, and council tax growth was assumed at about
0.95%. In terms of business rates, upper tier authorities retained
10% of collections, they added, also noting that relief and
additional business rate grants set by central government were also
received.
- The Vice-chairman requested more
detail on how the £17.7 million (m) budget gap for 2025/26
would be closed, particularly regarding restructuring and staffing
reductions. The Director of Finance Insights and Performance
explained that the options included possible additional Government
funding, finding efficiencies and driving down pressures, a council
tax increase and the possible use of reserves for one-off
expenditure. Opportunities from the Organisational Redesign
programme were being explored. It was also noted that joining
services together is being reviewed where possible, and that a
recruitment and retention programme is also in place.
- The Vice-chairman echoed
officers’ statement in the presentation that every 1% rise in
council tax generates ~£9m in revenue and referred to the
proposal of a 2% Adult Social Care Precept to cover the budget gap,
in addition to the 2.99% Council Tax increase already assumed in
the draft budget, giving a total proposed increase of 4.99%.The
Vice-chairman asked for assurance that other options would be
assessed before considering a council tax increase. The Executive
Director of Resources noted that the council was likely to receive
less formula funding than previous years, with any redistribution
to be considered via a methodology weighted through tax bases and
deprivation, and that funding would likely move more significantly
towards metropolitan areas, effectively forcing councils in areas
such as Surrey to raise rates of council tax. One area of concern
is employer National Insurance Contributions (NICs), noting that
the council was informed that these would be funded directly for
costs associated with SCC staff, though the level of grant was
unknown and council’s suppliers would still be impacted. He
noted that the exact cost of this was not yet known. The
Council’s Corporate Leadership Team (CLT) was regularly
considering how to drive additional efficiencies such as Full-Time
Equivalent (FTE) reductions through organisational redesign, as
well as how to reduce pressures. The focus on how to best contain
the cost was also referenced, with the budget increasing by
£108m as well as needing to deliver £57m in
efficiencies.
- A member asked whether the
£57m of identified efficiencies to help close the budget gap
are considered achievable.The Director of Finance Insights and
Performance explained that delivery plans were expected to be in
place for each of the identified efficiencies, as were mitigations
for any risks highlighted, although it was accepted that the
delivery of efficiencies could be difficult. Directorates had
signed up to the efficiencies and a thorough review was undertaken
by the select committees, she added.
- The member was concerned that there
was no certainty that the identified efficiencies are deliverable
as there are still risks in the delivery plans. The member noted
that some efficiencies proposed for 2024/25 proved to be
undeliverable and were being pushed into 2025/26 and asked if the
risk of efficiencies not being delivered was greater for 2025/26.
The Director of Finance Insights and Performance noted it was
getting increasingly difficult, which is why the Transformation
Programme and Organisational Redesign is in place, as well as
budget accountability statements and efficiency delivery plans.
Where efficiencies were proved to be undeliverable, services were
expected to look at alternatives and mitigations, she added.
- The Vice-chairman asked if delivery
plans were in place for the unachieved efficiencies from previous
years, or if the delivery plans constituted a change in approach.
The Vice-chairman asked how the committee could be assured of
accountability around the achievability of identified efficiencies
and what happened if they were not achieved. The Director of
Finance Insights and Performance explained there was always an
expectation that each efficiency would have a delivery plan, but it
was now mandatory and being more rigorously enforced. Budget
accountability statements had been in place since 2019, she added,
which each directorate lead had signed to agree that their service
would be delivered within the agreed budget. She clarified that,
where this was not possible, directorates needed to find
mitigations, and that some instances of overspend were out of the
control of the service, such as those facing increased demand,
which is why reserves are in place as a last resort.
- The Vice-chairman asked for
clarification around the delivery plans for previous years’
efficiencies, and if the plans had been in place but not enforced.
The Director of Finance Insights and Performance explained the
expectation was for plans to be enforced but this was not
necessarily done for all efficiencies in previous years and that a
full plan was now being put in place. The 2024/25 budget monitoring
report conveyed that the council had overachieved on some
efficiencies, which was part of the mitigations. The Vice-chairman
noted that there may be lessons to be learnt from previous
years’ efficiency plans, such as in cases where the savings
were not achieved and asked if the budget accountability statements
had previously been enforced. The Director of Finance Insights and
Performance explained that budget accountability statements had
been in place since 2019 and that 100% of them had been signed each
year.
- Regarding the delivery of
efficiencies, the Cabinet Member for Finance and Resources noted
that efficiencies in the draft budget had not been imposed on the
organisation but were in fact devised and offered by the
directorates. He suggested that it would perhaps be more insightful
to consider the deliverability of specific efficiencies through the
other select committees where they were under a specific service
area not relating to Resources and Performance.
- The Executive Director of Resources
added that lessons could be learned from the past but suggested
there was more value in considering how the council would enforce
the efficiencies and delivery plans for 2025/26. Part of the final
budget proposals involved considering the proposed savings and
examining how directorates have RAG (Red-Amber-Green) rated them in
terms of deliverability, interdependencies and risks. The budget
was based on best the estimates available at the time of writing,
they noted, before clarifying that there was oversight from the
organisation where efficiencies were not being delivered.
- Regarding changes to NICs, the
Chairman asked how the council would mitigate the impacts this
would have on contracted services, particularly from smaller
organisations and charities. The Strategic Finance Business Partner
(Corporate) explained that the government announced that local
authorities would be reimbursed for this, but it was not yet known
how the reimbursement would be calculated or allocated. The
reimbursement was not extended to the council’s providers, so
price pressures are expected which are not currently built into the
draft budget position. It was also noted that contract inflation
was built into the draft budget, but it was not the council’s
responsibility to ensure that all providers are reimbursed for NIC
costs.
- The Chairman asked to what extent
contract inflation was built into the draft budget. The Strategic
Finance Business Partner (Corporate) explained there was a
corporate non-pay inflation assumption of 2%, which is to be used
when no further detail is available. Directorates built in contract
inflation based on the terms and conditions of specific contracts
and other market knowledge, she said.
- Regarding the 2025/26 equality
analysis, the Vice-chairman noted the concerns and themes of
mitigations raised and asked if there were any further areas
identified by residents, particularly regarding special educational
needs and disabilities (SEND). The Vice-chairman also asked how the
committee could be reassured that residents would be sufficiently
protected by mitigations undertaken. The Principal Strategy and
Policy Lead explained that the themes captured in the budget slides
were positioned as cross-cutting, coming from multiple different
equality analyses, including some relating to SEND. There was more
work to do in line with the delivery of the efficiencies to further
consult and engage residents, they said - an example of where this
would be applied in practice was the Customer Transformation
Programme, which had a commitment within its full impact assessment
to Cabinet to ensure that people with protected characteristics
would be consulted and involved in the testing of any new aspects
of this programme.
- The Vice-chairman asked if there
could be a consistent approach towards completion of the Equality
Impact Assessments and the templates used. The Principal Strategy
and Policy Lead explained that officers were encouraged to use a
consistent template.
- Regarding the Fair Funding Review,
the Vice-chairman asked if ‘what-if’ modelling had been
undertaken. The Strategic Finance Business Partner (Corporate)
explained that the new government had reaffirmed commitment to
review the assessment of needs and funding reform, and that
consultation on this issue was expected during 2025, and it was
anticipated to impact from 2026/27. The policy statement gave the
best indication so far in terms of intentions and considerations of
the government relating to the funding reform, which was targeting
areas of deprivation and lower tax bases, though it was likely that
the council would see a significant reduction in its government
funding through fair funding reform, they noted. They also
clarified that, for the 2025/26 budget setting process, the Council
had an independent review of the medium-term funding assumptions
which helped to model several different scenarios, and that a level
and timing of potential transitional funding from the government
would be key to help smooth the impact of any loss on the
Council’s funding.
Finance & Corporate Services
- The Vice-chairman asked for
clarification regarding how the combination of the Finance and
Corporate Services (FCS) and Customer, Digital and Change (CDC)
directorates had affected those area’s budgets and the
overall 2025/26 council budget. The Vice-chairman also asked how
the planed work of FCS and CDC would be funded across the medium
term. The Executive Director of Resources explained there was no
impact apart from a small saving resulting from the changes in the
CLT restructure - the budgets that were under FCS and CDC had been
consolidated and retitled ‘Resources’. Proposals for
next year’s budget and the medium-term financial strategy
(MTFS) would be funded the same as other services were, through
council tax and government grants, he added.
- The Vice-chairman asked about the
rationale for combining FCS and CDC if there were little or no
efficiencies created by the change. The Executive Director of
Resources clarified that there was no immediate financial impact of
combining the directorates, but that there would be future
efficiencies made not only within Resources, but across the wider
council due to the core functions that Resources provides, such as
finance, procurement and communications.
- In reference to slide 25 of the
presentation, which showed that income inflation was expected to
fall markedly from 2025/26 and remain lower for the remainder of
the medium term, a member asked about the reasoning for this
assumption, how robust the assumption was, and how the exact
figures were calculated. The Strategic Finance Business Partner for
Resources, Land and Property and Economy and Growth clarified this
was an error and would be corrected in the final budget. The net
impact was around £20,000.
- The Chairman asked whether the
inflation forecasts used were provided by the Treasury.The
Strategic Finance Business Partner for Resources, Land and Property
and Economy and Growth explained that the inflation levels
estimated were corporate assumptions specific to local government,
2% for pay and, from 2026/27, 2% for non-pay, also.
- Regarding slide 8, the Vice-chairman
asked if the proposed efficiencies in staff reductions of
£1.2m had all been identified and signed-off on as part of
the budget accountability statements and efficiency plans.The
Executive Director of Resources explained this was not the case
because there is an HR process to complete regarding the
restructure plans. There was a target and a discussion taking
place, they said, but a consultation with staff affected by the
efficiency was needed.
- Regarding capital financing costs in
the revenue budget, the Vice-chairman stated that there appeared to
be a proposed reduction in the latest iteration of the capital
programme. The Vice-chairman asked if the council was seeking to
increase the capital expenditure in future years and asked how this
affected the overall attitude to the investment and risk strategy
in the capital programme. The Strategic Finance Business Partner
(Corporate) explained that the council was consciously trying to
reduce the cost of capital investment. Several years ago, it was
recognised that the council’s capital spend was quite low and
was therefore underinvesting in some of its asset base. Therefore,
there was a conscious drive to spend more capital to increase the
quality of the asset base in the short-term, then eventually reduce
spending again. This choice is thus in line with the
council’s original approach, she noted, before stating that
there was now a high cost of capital, and the council needed to
become accustomed to lower capital spending in comparison with the
last few years. She explained that the review of the capital
programme had focussed on statutory requirements and capital
investment that generated ongoing revenue and efficiencies, and
that borrowing and investment strategy risk was included within an
annual capital investment treasury management strategy, which the
committee would have an opportunity to review.
- A member raised concern around how
the council was lowering capital spend and asked if it was because
some of the capital items had been fully paid and was therefore
dropping off the capital programme, or if the council was perhaps
expecting rates to reduce. The Strategic Finance Business Partner
(Corporate) clarified that the capital financing costs over the
medium term are increasing every year, though less than before the
council reviewed the capital programme. There are some borrowing
costs that fell off as loans reached the end of their terms, and
the council made assumptions around interest rates which are
informed by market insight. She stated that interest rates are
expected to fall over the next 12 months, but not by as much as was
assumed 6 months ago, and not by a rate comparable to that at which
they increased. The reduction was a reduction in the rate of
increase, as opposed to an absolute reduction overall. They assured
members that a very significant capital programme is still planned,
which includes increased revenue costs associated with the
borrowing to fund this – officers are simply trying to manage
the steepness of this increase because of the direct impact it
exerts on the revenue budget.
- A member asked how the risk profile
of this budget would be characterised, which risks caused the
greatest concern and would be most likely to threaten the
sustainability of the council’s budget and financial position
if they materialised, and how confident the officers were that
robust plans were in place to mitigate these risks, and if evidence
could be provided for this confidence. The member also noted that
the risks could be in the form of unforeseen demand, an inability
to realise identified efficiencies, or other external factors. The
Executive Director of Resources stated that the council was in a
relatively good financial position compared to the rest of the
local government sector, though that there is still significant
risk. He confirmed that he would draw out these risks in his
Section 25 statement as part of the final budget proposals, noting
that funding reform and associated potential loss of funding
present a risk. He highlighted the need to deliver the current
£57m of efficiencies and that these may increase, as well as
the need to deal with overspends and demand and that there are
areas outside the council’s control, such as potential
government policy changes. Normally, the council would receive a
New Burdens Grant, but these were usually not enough to deal with
the cost of that policy change, he noted. The economic situation
and uncertainty, such as with inflation and interest rates, would
potentially impact the council. The Dedicated Schools Grant and
High Needs Block ‘Safety Valve’ Agreement and its
delivery also present significant risks, he explained, before
noting that there is current uncertainty around the override which
could be removed on 31st March 2026, which had to be
considered in the setting of the 2025/26 budget, though it was
hoped that the override would be extended.
- In terms of mitigations, the
Executive Director of Resources explained that work had been done
concerning the level of the council’s reserves. The council
needed to avoid using reserves to fund ongoing spend, he stated,
noting that the council would have more focussed oversight from
leadership on the delivery of savings for 2025/26, including
greater discipline around holding directors to account, ensuring
efficiencies were being delivered and necessary interventions taken
if savings are found not to be being delivered, in addition to
regular budget monitoring. He reiterated that the Customer
Transformation Programme is an enabler of efficiencies and that
there is collective responsibility and accountability for
savings’ delivery among directors, which is also being
improved through the Finance Academy. He then referred to the fact
that the council holds a General Fund to deal with financial shocks
and that an offsetting reserve is held, which is currently equal to
the anticipated deficit outlined in the ‘Safety Valve’
Agreement. The risk was that the council did not hold to the
‘Safety Valve’ agreement, which would mean that the
deficit would grow and need to be dealt with in future financial
years.
- The Cabinet Member for Finance and
Resources noted that a £20m unallocated contingency was
included in the budget. Despite challenges and pressures in the
last few years, the council has managed to remain within budget.
This historical performance should provide some reassurance, he
said.
- A member asked if there are any
further monies set aside for contingencies and asked for further
clarification regarding the £20m contingency in the
budget.The Executive Director of Resources noted again the
£20m contingency already built into the budget, and stated
there would be a change in this approach in the final budget
proposals in an effort to move the council towards a more
sustainable position. There are linkages to how transformation
would continue to be funded in the future, he added, where there
was a chance to transition to a strategy of one-off funding for
one-off activity that will deliver efficiencies or outcomes. He
clarified that there was no ‘back pocket’ of money set
aside, but centrally held budgets for difficult to forecast
expense, such as budgets held for severance costs and
redundancies.
- The Vice-chairman asked if there was
confidence that the budget could be balanced without the use of
reserves and asked about the possibility of the £20m
contingency being seen and used unhelpfully as a
‘backstop’. The Executive Director of Resources
explained that using reserves to balance the budget is an option,
but that the council was not planning to use reserves to fund
ongoing spend, though the budget proposals include proposals to
draw on reserves to fund activity such as transformation. In terms
of the final budget proposals, the risk assessment would be used to
see what the level of General Fund reserves should be. In terms of
the £20m budget contingency, it was changing to what is
effectively a contribution to reserves to enable the future funding
of transformation, he said. With this, there was greater importance
to delivering efficiencies in-year, as services will be expected to
deliver a balanced budget and not draw on the £20m
contingency reserve, he added. However, it would still be there as
a ‘backstop’ and therefore if services did overspend or
certain efficiencies were not delivered, the £20m contingency
reserve would need to be drawn on.
Customer, Digital & Change
- The Cabinet Member for Customer and
Communities raised the importance of the committee not just looking
at the costs and savings of the Customer Transformation Programme,
but also the returns on investment and improvements it is expected
to deliver. The imperatives of the programme were to put the
customer at the centre, she added, before referencing the monthly
Cabinet check-ins on the progress of the programme and that the
Full Business Case will come before this select committee in
February. The Cabinet Member shared successes achieved thus far,
including trials in the Locality Hub, enhanced centre management in
the Merstham Hub, extended Digital Inclusion work in Walton
Library, development of the Community function team in North
Guildford, the Customer and Solutions Hub website improving
self-service, and improvements to the issuance of Blue Badges. She
also referred to the fact that ‘FixMyStreet’ had gone
live and that an 80% satisfaction rate had been received for this
service through the ‘Happy Or Not’ survey.
- The Chairman raised the fact that
the Customer Transformation Programme required a draw down of
£3.4m from reserves in 2024/25, totalling a requirement of
£11m this year. The Chairman asked what the projected cost of
the wider transformation programme was, and over what period the
projected savings and improvements would be delivered. The
Strategic Director of Customer Service Transformation explained
that the £11m was from the one-off reserve spending approach,
in addition to this there was £12.1m worth of expenditure
built into the medium-term financial strategy. This is the total
investment required this year for delivery, with £4.8m of
ongoing efficiencies expected this year, in addition to around
£25m worth of cost containment relating to the ‘Safety
Valve’ Agreement and Additional Needs and Disabilities. It
was expected that the benefits of the whole transformation
programme would build over the medium term, they added, before
noting that for 2025/26, £5.5m worth of efficiencies has been
factored in, relating to the Organisational Redesign. In relation
to the major parts of the Transformation Programme, £8m was
being invested into the Adults programme through to 2026/27 and
built-in efficiencies of £83m will be delivered over that
period. Additionally, for Children’s Additional Needs and
Disabilities, £11m is being factored in and over the period
£114m of efficiencies linked to the cost containment are
expected.
- A member asked how the Full Business
Case would assure the committee that the costs of transformation
are proportionate to projected savings, and asked whether officers
could assure the committee that the proposals provided return on
investment throughout the rest of the medium term. The Strategic
Director of Customer Service Transformation explained that the Full
Business Case would return to the committee to ensure members are
fully sighted on its proposals, that there had been one internal
process for approval of the initial draw down of funding and there
would be the second internal stage gate review process which would
continue to scrutinise the investment and the benefits. The
Customer Transformation Programme had been reviewed, they added,
which included ensuring that the lessons learned were preserved.
They then referred to the Transformation Board chaired by the Chief
Executive, which takes monthly reports on the programme’s
progress, and the way that the business case was being delivered.
Updates would also be provided at Informal Cabinet meetings, they
noted.
- The Vice-chairman asked what the
justification was for using a £3.4m draw down of reserves for
the Customer Transformation Programme. The Strategic Director of
Customer Service Transformation explained that the business case
contained a range of required investments to deliver the programme,
none of which would translate into base budget requests or
requirements, that benefits may be seen in the base budget, and
that the MTFS would demonstrate this over time. Those types of
investments were in things such as the expenditure to upgrade and
review the website, upgrading the Customer Relationship Management
technology and the technologies required to support and automate
processes to support project activity, personnel changes to draw
teams together and drive through benefits, and activities intended
to redesign processes & customer journeys. They confirmed that
these were not things that would carry forward into
business-as-usual operational activity and were only one-off
activities.
- A member referred to an £8m
investment into Adult Social Care which would lead to savings of
£83m, and an £11m investment into Children’s
Services, with expected savings of £114m. The member asked if
these figures were built into the MTFS. The Strategic Director of
Customer Service Transformation confirmed that they are.
Land & Property
- A member asked for clarification
around the upcoming combination of the Environment, Property &
Growth (EPG) and Highways, Infrastructure & Planning (HIP)
directorates, how this could contribute to a better experience for
residents, and how the directorates would continue to carry out
their duties. The Interim Executive Director of EPG explained that
the previous directorate was named ‘Environment, Transport
and Infrastructure’, which took on two additional teams in
December 2023 with the arrival of Land & Property and Economy
and Growth. This directorate became known as EIG. This was
established in December 2023, in addition to ETI. They explained
that two Interim Executive Directors were appointed in July 2024,
with one covering both the Environment, Property & Waste, and
Economy and Growth teams, and another responsible for the Highways,
Planning, Major Infrastructure Projects and Business Support teams.
Operationally, the two directorates function as one and operational
activities continue in tandem - the scope of the directorate has
not changed since December 2023. Therefore, there should be no
impact on residents from these changes, and the plan to deliver the
services was not influenced by the interim changes, they added.
Opportunities to restructure as a new directorate that were not
taken forward from December 2023 are being reconsidered, they
confirmed.
- The member asked how the combining
of directorates would help and improve the services, noting that a
visible improvement was desired. The Interim Executive Director of
EPG explained that means transforming the directorate into one are
being reviewed alongside how accountabilities could be realigned
within the directorate in order to be more effective – this
prioritises the alignment and consistency of accountabilities
across the leadership team in an effort to ensure a logical
structure, with functions focusing on delivery, ensuring
recognition of the different skills sets across the team and
co-locating them where it is rational and coherent to do so. They
explained that the team are therefore considering internal means of
transforming the leadership team and making the service offerings
more coherent, though there are some areas that require
transformation. Land and Property went through a transformation
exercise in the last 18 months, they noted, and the Economy and
Growth team is currently restructuring. They also referred to plans
to bring together other teams under a combined environment and
planning function.
- A member asked about Land and
Property’s capital receipts expectations. The Interim
Executive Director of EPG explained the target for capital receipts
that was set in the Asset and Place Strategy was to deliver
£150m of capital receipts by 2030, and between 2019 and 2024
they have met this target - there is also a plan/allocation within
the MTFS to deliver £46m of receipts in the next two years.
Land & Property will therefore exceed the £150m target
that was put in place in 2019.
- The member referred to a Cabinet
report for a specific property disposal and asked for further
information regarding the offers and decision taken. The Director
of Land and Property explained she would need to look at the
specific example to comment and report back to the select
committee. The Executive Director of Resources raised the fact that
the report the member was referring to is a Part 2, exempt paper
and suggested dealing with the discussion outside of this
meeting.
- The Interim Executive Director of
EPG, in response to the member, explainedthat there is an overall
target for disposals of £46m over three years.
- In reference to slide 3 of the
presentation which referred to “Place and communities support
to improve outcomes for residents”, a member asked if
officers could explain what this meant and provide some examples.
The member also asked what impact this had for residents and what
costs were associated with these forms of support. The Interim
Executive Director of EPG explained that this included many
different types of activity and initiatives. For example, some of
their hub schemes where new premises were established or existing
ones refurbished, where they would co-locate services into a new or
refurbished building, property-led/-enabled outcomes, for example
in Weybridge, Staines and Merstham. The Strategic Director of
Customer Transformation added that, under this piece of work they
were also drawing together a wide range of existing activity, for
example towns and villages work, the community activity team and
work under the Customer Transformation Programme relating to the
hubs being developed under the council’s library
infrastructure. All of this is intended to maximise the use of
resources and space, equipping staff to be capable of helping
communities more than at present, she said.
- A member asked about the maintenance
and ongoing revenue spending on property and asked whether this was
reducing. The member noted that they felt the disposal of
properties should bring a corresponding reduction in revenue spend,
and he had not seen this reflected in the figures. The Director of
Land and Property explained that the maintenance backlog was
extensive and that there was an imperative to reduce the estate.
The disposal programme was fast-paced and would continue, he said,
before noting that, all vacant properties that were held for
strategic and operational purposes were being reviewed to ensure
that they are being held for sufficiently good reason as security
costs, maintenance costs and backlogs were a pressure in Land and
Property. Disposals and amalgamation of properties would be
progressed at speed next year due to the revenue pressures, she
added.
- The Vice-chairman asked about the
size of the maintenance backlog, in both monetary and property
terms, and when it could be reviewed. The Director of Land and
Property explained that the Land and Property team were due to
receive the condition and life cycle reports from strategic partner
Macro, who would also advise on the required maintenance work
across the estate. Once this was received, they said, the team
would clarify the most serious maintenance works requiring
delivery. They explained that their maintenance programme was
currently £30m per year, that capital spend was split between
schools and operational non-school properties, and that a programme
was being undertaken on community schools - re-roofing, replacing
classrooms, and more. Once the condition and life cycle reports
were received, an accurate account of what needs to be done and
which properties would be held in the future could be provided, and
this could be shared with the select committee once it has been
assessed the financial obligations of the council clarified.
- The Vice-chairman asked where he
could find previous reports on the council’s maintenance
backlog. The Director of Land and Property stated the reports from
2019 and 2021 could be shared with members, though the information
was not as in-depth as desired, which is why the council
commissioned Macro to provide a full report on the estate’s
lifecycle conditions, in particular.
- The Vice-chairman requested to see
the internal report and suggested it to be added to the
committee’s Forward Work Programme. The Vice-chairman
expressed concern that there had not been an internal report since
2021.
- A member raised that they felt it is
important to understand how great the scale of capital maintenance
was and how it was growing or declining over time, as well as what
was anticipated in the next few years. The Director of Land and
Property explained that this is a priority for Land and Property.
They are assessing every building in terms of its efficiency,
condition and future use, they said, noting that some of these
portfolios and buildings are being considered for disposal, and
that the team seek out modernised buildings where the maintenance
backlogs are less substantial. It was noted that they had increased
the investment and are proactive in monitoring Asset Management
Plans for each building so that they fully understand its life
cycle and whether it is fit for purpose. This information could be
supplied, she said.
- Regarding the reason why the
maintenance report was not updated last year, it was clarified that
the team had to deal with the priority issues of RAAC and asbestos,
which caused delay in the life cycle and maintenance surveys.
- A member asked about the
relationship between different services and the Land and Property
team. The Director of Land and Property explained that services
were asked what their requirements and needs were for the estate,
which are fully considered by the Land and Property team, with an
options appraisal then carried out, which was then reported back to
the service. It was intertwined with the MTFS and funding supplied
for different projects, they said. Land and Property try to cover
the needs of the service but must be realistic in terms of the
options available, the estate and the cost. The Interim Executive
Director of EPG stated that the relationship between services and
Land and Property was a client-provider relationship, and that Land
and Property has to operate as a corporate landlord while also
supporting the services.
RESOLVED:
- The Select Committee
welcomes the council’s work to deliver a balanced budget in
an extremely challenging financial context through aligning revenue
budgets, capital investment and transformation plans within both
Directorates and the organisation and recommends that this
integrated approach continues to be employed in future
years.
- The select committee
appreciates the importance of ensuring continued financial
resilience to protect services for residents and the important
progress made to close the budget gap to the remaining
£17.4m, but recognises that the Council will need to make
difficult decisions to close the gap that is likely to continue to
grow over the remainder of the medium term.
- The select committee
welcomes the completion of Equality Impact Assessments for proposed
budget efficiencies. The Committee notes that they are in different
stages of completion and that further work is required to fully
complete them to a high and consistent standard (using the agreed
template and process). The select committee recommends that this
continues to be assessed as part of its work overseeing Equalities
& Diversity.
- The select committee
welcomes the reduced capital financing costs in the revenue budget,
but voices concerns about the deliverability of the scale of the
remaining capital programme, and risks that this may therefore
pose to key priority areas of investment.
- The select committee
endorses the council’s attitude to risk and the
budget’s risk profile, and recommends that work continues
to revise overall risk downward across the medium term (recognising
the work of the Audit and Governance Committee to monitor risk).
The Committee notes the significant risk associated with
transformation programmes and has continued concerns about siloed
working and effective governance and oversight across the
programmes at the heart of the Council’s efficiencies savings
(noting the experience with MySurrey) and urges the S151 officer to
prioritise focus in this area.
- Accountability for
delivery of efficiencies: The Committee
supports the additional focus on good governance and increased
oversight of the delivery of savings through implementation of
efficiency delivery plans and robust monitoring to hold
directorates to account; and looks forward to reviewing the success
of this approach.
- The Committee
notes concern about the Maintenance backlog and requests to review
past and current maintenance reports in more detail.
(Possibly via a Task & Finish
Exercise)
Actions/requests for
further information:
- Officers to provide
delivery plans for the planned budget efficiencies of previous
years that were not achieved.
- The Principal
Strategy and Policy Lead to provide information clarifying the
consistency of approach in the formatting and completion of
Equality Impact Assessments used at different project stages, and
where there may be any scope for additional
improvement.