Witnesses:
Carol Deans, Director, Communications and
Engagement (Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust)
Alex White, Programme Director, New Frimley
Park Hospital Programme (Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust)
Caroline Hutton, Deputy Chief Executive and
Senior Responsible Officer (SRO) for the New Frimley Park Hospital
Programme (Frimley Health NHS Foundation Trust).
Sam Burrows, Chief Transformation, Delivery
and Digital Officer (NHS Frimley Integrated Care Board)
Key points raised
during the discussion:
- The SRO noted the change of
leadership updating the committee of the new CEO for Frimley Health
NHS Foundation Trust, Lance McCarthy as well as Alex White as the
Programme Director and explained the revised governance which
ensured closer working across the system. A new Trust Board
sub-committee was being established to provide assurance on the New
Hospital Programme. There would also be a New Programme Board
including colleagues from the system, national teams, and regional
NHS teams. The New Frimley Park Hospital Programme was working
closely along the journey to avoid unnecessary delays with
leadership teams in the Department of Health and NHSE which was
expected to continue. The first thing that was done was to invite
The Department of Health SRO, Natalie Forest, to visit the Trust to
have a conversation about their plans and ambitions for
transformation, as well as the NHSE team on delivery and
transformation. There was an opportunity to ensure that future
strategy and planning considered the Darzi Review recommendations
and the emerging NHSE 10-year plan. The principle of these were to
move more services into the community, move from analogue to
digital working and focus more on preventing sickness. The clinical
strategy within the acute setting but working across the whole
system with system colleagues, was being revisited to see how the
transformation plans considered opportunities across the whole
system. A lot of work was done to implement advanced digital
technologies in both acute and community settings such as
Artificial Intelligence (AI), an advanced electronic patient record
system, and virtual wards. The new hospital was expected to be a
Smart hospital. The SRO brought attention to Heatherwood Hospital,
which was recognised nationally as an exemplar surgical hub which
was digitally enabled with continuous improvement by staff, and
encompassed things looked for by the NHS. The SRO noted there were
further opportunities such as the potential expansion of
Heatherwood to take more elective work. This may be built into
their business case. The other site was Wexham Park, and the SRO
noted some of the difficulties in moving some clinical services
there, and the opportunities to do more remote monitoring, virtual
monitoring, virtual wards and digital hubs which would mean that
some of the budget could be invested to Wexham Park, which would
serve the whole system. There were out of hospital models and
conversations around adopting hospital in the High Street type
models. The expectation was to produce a high-level clinical
strategy and transformation plan and the details of the development
and delivery of those were being aligned to the national plans to
deliver to the agenda set out by the NHS.
- The Chief Transformation, Delivery
and Digital Officer highlighted the need for the model of care to
change in supporting residents with long term conditions which were
forecast to grow, and virtual and digital and urgent and emergency
care.
- In terms of supporting residents
with long term conditions and high need, the Chief Transformation,
Delivery and Digital Officer explained that Frimley ICB supported
around 800,000 people, 26,000 of whom consumed over 70% of the NHS
resource, that care was often provided through acute hospital
provision. There were better ways that patients’ needs could
be met earlier. Using multidisciplinary teams of different types of
clinicians, using hubs in the local community and working with
colleagues in primary and social care, helped to avoid and reduce
hospital admissions. Care planning, early engagement, and using
clinical specialists was what the new models of care could look
like for patients with long term health conditions. It was
considered that the new models of care could transform care
outcomes for around 13,000 of the 26,000 people.
- In terms of virtual and digital
care, the Chief Transformation, Delivery and Digital Officer
explained that a virtual ward programme had been running since
2020. The Frimley system was the highest user of virtual wards in
the country per capita. Remote monitoring such as blood pressure
monitors, that enabled residents to take their own measurements
daily and share those with clinicians, was in place. Frimley ICB
had around 7,500 people receiving the remote monitoring service.
These residents were 30% less likely to require admission to
hospital, 50% less likely to require a GP appointment, and the
prescribing needs had fallen. This provided better value for money
and better outcomes of care. The size of this cohort could increase
by upwards of 30,000 people. Many people in Frimley ICB’s
population had wearables such as smart watches and health apps
which allowed patients better understanding of their health and
wellbeing. Linking these with the NHS app and patient records would
allow the provision of more tailored support. There were emerging
models of AI, which could help free-up the workforce to provide
better care.
- In terms of urgent and emergency
care, the Chief Transformation, Delivery and Digital Officer
explained that around 400 patients were seen every day in each of
the two emergency departments in the Frimley Health and Care
Integrated Care System’s (ICS) geography. By 2040 this would
exceed 500 patients if the model of care was not changed.
- A Member asked if there was
signposting in place within emergency departments to convey where
residents could be triaged. The Chief Transformation, Delivery and
Digital Officer confirmed there was signposting but there would
always be people that chose to access care through emergency
departments. Additional new models were being explored where there
were lower acuity-based support on the hospital site.
- A Member asked if Frimley Health was
planning to move operations to Heatherwood Hospital, acknowledging
it had limited beds and was mainly a day operation in theory. The
SRO explained that opportunities were being explored, but if more
was to be done, more capacity was needed such as potentially more
theatre space and beds. As demand increased, the modelling had been
taken into account, and there was an opportunity to consider
putting in different provision such as the higher dependency type
support with higher acuity patients potentially being moved to
Heatherwood Hospital, but there was a limit to this, as there was
no critical care unit or acute provision that was seen on other
sites at Heatherwood Hospital. There would be a limit to this, as
there were no critical care unit at Heatherwood Hospital, or the
acute provision that was on other sites. Due to the success of
this, Frimley Health was being asked whether there was any mutual
aid for other hospitals to help with the NHS backlog. Frimley
Health always prioritised their own waiting lists and had
undertaken some work at Heatherwood Hospital to help Portsmouth
Hospital with their backlog. This worked exceptionally well, and
the Getting It Right First Time (GIRFT) programme were pushing for
them to do more of this, where and if possible.
- The Member asked if Heatherwood
Hospital’s theatres were being used seven days a week. The
SRO clarified they were being used six days a week. The Member
asked whether this could be pushed to seven. The SRO confirmed it
could but highlighted that the challenge was in the way the
consultants worked and were contracted.
- The Member asked about
doctor’s assistants, and what Frimley thought about this. The
SRO confirmed that Frimley did not employ physician associates.
Frimley Health’s Medical Director was concerned about the
governance around doing that. Frimley Health continued to train
physician associates on behalf of other places with governance in
place.
- The Chairman asked about primary
care and the possibility for extending its role, particularly
regarding population health management and Lord Darzi’s
agenda for more emphasis on more prevention. In reference to a
session on COPD by Frimley Health, the Chairman raised that more
needed to be done to get those services into use. The SRO explained
that Dr Gareth Roberts led the session who was also the Chief of
Service for Transformation and Continuous Improvement. COPD would be an area needing to be thought
through and looked at differently.
- In terms of primary care, the Chief
Transformation, Delivery and Digital Officer highlighted that 90%
of patient contact happened in primary care. Underpinning the
strategic intent previously outlined, there was a desire for
primary care to take on a role of ownership and to work with
Frimley ICB in partnership. For patients with long term conditions,
that would have a robust care plan supported by digital technology
with input from the patient’s GP, with input from secondary
care professionals was a big opportunity underpinned by primary
care.
- The Chairman highlighted Surrey
County Council’s work on running a pilot on Technology
Enabled Care at Home (TECH), with monitoring to identify changes in
the home and that there was a major opportunity to work together.
The Chief Transformation, Delivery and Digital Officer raised the
great work undertaken in Hampshire with technology to support
social care and the elderly in their homes using technology and was
pleased to hear that Surrey County Council was doing something
similar. Frimley ICB would be open to conversations around the
learning on work being undertaken in those areas.
- A Member asked if there was a plan
in progress to amend issues around communication between joining up
the ‘My Frimley Health Record’ and GP surgeries. The
SRO noted the success of the ‘My Frimley Health’
Record. There was a rapid programme of work looking at what more
could be done with that including how to get systems linked up to
each other. There was a challenge of joining-up the ‘My
Frimley Health Record’ with the NHS app, and there was
national work on this. There was a way patients could give GPs
approval to access their My Frimley Health Record. Frimley Health
wanted to progress patient input around how to develop the app into
what areas matter most to patients, so the right areas were focused
on.
- A Member asked about virtual wards,
how it differed to care at home, what the future potential was for
the future as well as what the potential downsides could be. The
Chief Transformation, Delivery and Digital Officer explained that
remote monitoring tended to be for people who required extra
support for long term conditions and proactively monitor a
deterioration in their health at the earliest stages. Virtual wards were mostly for patients who were
already unwell and were in hospital, and the virtual ward tried to
replicate the bed-based care for those on their way out of hospital
but within their home or residential environment. Virtual wards
were conceptually similar to remote monitoring, with a team of
doctors monitoring data and observation-based information with a
human-base intervention when required. Evidence showed that
patients tended to recuperate better in their own environments. In
terms of the downsides, there was less physical proximity with the
health and care professional which meant the clinical governance
around virtual wards and remote monitoring needed to be strong to
ensure the right triggers, interventions and escalations were in
place. However, the learning over the last four years had conveyed
a safe model of care. For the older population who may live on
their own, there was a risk of isolation and therefore it needed to
be ensured that all support was put in place for this cohort
continued alongside virtual-based care.
- The Member asked who decided whether
a patient was suitable for a virtual ward and if a patient was
properly consulted. The Chief Transformation, Delivery and Digital
Officer explained that there was a consultant led team that
undertook this review and decision making. It would be a medical
decision and in conjunction with the patient.
- A Member asked if the rapidly
changing and emerging technology was being built into the designing
and planning for the new hospital, and whether plans would be fluid
enough to accommodate the rapid technological changes going
forward. The SRO confirmed it was being built into the modelling
and planning for the new hospital. The challenge was how it would
be introduced along the way. There was an opportunity to build upon
linking in primary care and local hubs so patients would not feel
isolated on remote monitoring and to bring people in around the
building of that virtual model, and to scale it up along the way to
the new hospital and ensure that the new hospital had all of the
digital capabilities to support this.
- The Member asked if the new hospital
would be fluid enough to deal with the changing technology, at
speed. The SRO noted that technology was moving quickly. There were
digital experts working with the New Hospital Programme team to do
horizon scanning for the future and ensure as much as possible that
this was built into the New Hospital Programme. In terms of the
staff’s ability to implement and put in place new technology,
the SRO felt staff most likely had the ability because a lot had
already been done, such as with electronic patient records. People
were becoming more advanced with technology, including the staff. A
risk was around the cost and ensuring this was built into the new
hospital plans and requests for budgets moving forward.
- A Member asked about emergency
assistant for patients that were remotely monitored considering
ambulance capacity. The SRO explained that there was a hospital at
home programme where patients were monitored by the Frailty team.
There was a small team of people that could go out to patients
quickly if needed. As Frimley Health worked with partners to
develop models, ambulance services also needed to be worked with to
ensure understanding was in place. Remote monitoring hubs were
supported by doctors, nurses and other healthcare providers that
could go out to patients if needed. The Chief Transformation,
Delivery and Digital Officer added that in Bracknell there was a
team of around 20 healthcare professionals whose role was to look
after the 7000 patients. Remote monitoring was about proactive care
that provided a gradual sense concerning a patient becoming more
unwell. If a patient did become unwell, typically they would be
seen in under 2 hours. The strategy was around reducing the
likelihood of needing ambulance-based care by intervening
earlier.
- A Member asked if there would be
room available in the new hospital for a GP service than what is
currently available at Frimley Park. The SRO explained that a
recommendation in the Darzi Report was to move patients away from
the hospital and into community settings as much as possible. If it
was felt that building an area for GPs in the new hospital was the
right thing, then it could be built into the model if that is what
is considered as the right thing to do. This is part of what the
clinical teams were looking at.
- The Member raised that a lot of the
people in the queue for accident and emergency in Frimley Park
Hospital had nowhere else to go as they were not registered with a
GP and suggested that GP provision on the new hospital site should
be considered very strongly. The Chief Transformation, Delivery and
Digital Officer noted that there would always be this cohort of
patients in accident and emergency departments that needed to be
seen. He raised the want for people to be registered with a GP but
acknowledged there were several reasons why people may not be
registered with a GP.
- The Vice-Chairman referred to the
build up to the new hospital and of the setting up of hubs and
referred to pharmacies and the work that they did with the NHSE, in
consideration of the growth of 80 plus year olds and the role they
played with the digital scene and with respect of the prescriptions
and the pharmacies that were closing. The Vice-Chairman highlighted
communication as a key theme. The Vice-Chairman noted that the
emergency department (ED) at Portsmouth Hospital was a crucial
aspect as they have AI doing a lot of their administration and
there are a lot of lessons to be learnt from AI. The Vice-Chairman
raised a concern of hospitals working on archaic IT systems while
putting up new hospitals. The SRO explained that Frimley had a
state-of-the-art IT system, liked by clinicians. There was also
good technology in the system such as the connective care service.
The infrastructure could sometimes be a challenge for example
working with RAAC could affect Wi-Fi areas.
- The Vice-Chairman stated that
hospitals had different IT systems and raised the importance of
communication, especially in the context of a greater
community-based NHS system. The SRO explained the need to ensure
that technologies that were in place, were updated or reviewed for
what was needed in the future. The SRO acknowledged the
Vice-Chairman’s point around the importance interoperability
with other systems. The Vice-Chairman suggested that the New
Hospital Programme team visited Portsmouth Hospital’s
Emergency Department.
- The Vice-Chairman asked if the
virtual treatment at home was linked in with the Local Authorities.
The Chief Transformation, Delivery and Digital Officer stated it
was not, but that there was an opportunity to do so. Most care
homes in the Frimley system now had a remote monitoring service
embedded and some of the residents would be Local Authority funded.
In this case, Local Authorities were worked with and considered
that there was an exciting opportunity to think about the digital
social care models to try to embed and join these up with their
own.
- The Vice-Chairman referred to one of
the issues with pharmacies in trying to release people on a
Thursday being a present concern due to lateness in getting that
done, and it was suggested it needed to be looked at. The
importance of communicating about the progression of what would be
undertaken within the next five years was also highlighted as
important. There was little reference to the district and community
nurse structure. The Chief Transformation, Delivery and Digital
Officer noted that all the services that exist in the umbrella of
what could be described as out of hospital care, which involved
district nurses for example, would make this work a success which
relied on having the right workforce to make it a success. The SRO
noted that the work is exciting and is not easy, however they were
in a fantastic position to drive the changes. As work was shifted,
roles would also be reviewed in line with this understanding
underpinned by the workforce transformation plan.
- The Vice-Chairman mentioned the
growing estates around the catchment area by 2030-35, and suggested
this should be considered. The Vice-Chairman also noted the
excitement of staff around the new hospital programme would be good
for recruitment. The SRO agreed.
Cllr Rozz Chadd left at 3.53pm
Actions/requests for
further information:
- Frimley to share information on the
risk management data in relation to the RAAC maintenance works
- Frimley to provide an abbreviation
list for the maps that were provided as an action from the last
meeting
- Frimley to check what the
Vice-Chairman’s reference to the £40 million figure was
in reference to (the Vice-Chair thought this related to the budget
for the maintenance works, but it was mentioned this may have been
in relation to the diagnostic centre)
RESOLVED:
- That every opportunity is taken for
co-production with patients and staff when developing
transformation plans.
- To seek integration of virtual wards
with the social care efforts on digital technology so there is a
joined-up approach across the ICBs.